Dragons.

Post » Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:39 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JthuemWSws
In the future, please try to PM people for things like this; as not to derail threads, you see.
And to further contribute to the OP, None of Tolkien's works - save his retelling of V?lsungasaga, contained dragons.

Well, his reaction is only normal. If you make the most interesting post in the history and then finish it with, "It's like the Irishmen obsesion with chewing tobaco" You should spect more than one Irish asking about that.

That said. Bethesda needs to sell the game, so, it's logic to hype the aspect that could contribute more to that end.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:38 pm

WHAT IF THERE ARE DRAGONS IN YOUR DUNGEONS.

OMG.

lol that could end up terrifying a dragon crashing through the ceiling to come get me.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:49 pm

The only reason I know anything at all about the game is that, looking forward to it, I scour the internet for information about it. If I didn't do this, I may not even know it had dragons.

If I were concerned that I was learning too much about the game prior to it's release ... I would stop looking.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:24 pm

Dragons are quite honestly THE fantasy monster. A large monstrous reptile with hard scales and powerful jaws, that is not only capable of flight, but powerful magic. They possess cunning and intellect equal to any other sentient race, and are often above that. The hype is not unearned.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:44 pm

I understand where you're coming from. Many people expect it to be GOTY simply because they've added dragons. TBH, dragons are the last thing I want to experience in Skyrim. Maybe because it because all the devs talk about are dragons
I know they are over selling it, but thats pretty much what the theme of the game is about, which is weird because past games never focused on a single aspect, and with the limited amount of info and talk they are giving Skyrim, EVERY time they talk about Skyrim they talk about Dragons, it never fails.

I already kno all there is too kno about the dragons in skyrim, give some more info.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:13 pm

I never really understood what dragons contributed to the fantasy genre. I mean, they were nice in sagas and poems because they were just dragons - not a shape that perfect beings transform into. It's like teenagers and their obsession with wolves.


How are dragons not fantasy related? They're fake, flying, fantastical creatures. What the hell do you mean by a shape that perfect beings transform into? And no teenagers are not obsessed with wolves...where are you from? lol
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Post » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:52 am

I know they are over selling it, but thats pretty much what the theme of the game is about, which is weird because past games never focused on a single aspect, and with the limited amount of info and talk they are giving Skyrim, EVERY time they talk about Skyrim they talk about Dragons, it never fails.

now they have all right to gloat I mean, this is the first time Dragons are being done the way they are. entities in a game not restricted to cut scenes or boss fights but an actual constant threat with its own Dynamics :D

This is like complaining that when they talked about Oblivion they always talked about the Oblivion gates. It's a major focus of the game and a key selling point. They're not going to attract the average consumer by telling them how many different types of fern you can collect.

Also, OP, how exactly are they giving us too much information? Here's what we know about dragons

-They fly around on their own and don't follow a script
-They can use shouts
-You can eat their souls

That's pretty much it.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:50 pm

This is like complaining that when they talked about Oblivion they always talked about the Oblivion gates. It's a major focus of the game and a key selling point. They're not going to attract the average consumer by telling them how many different types of fern you can collect.

Also, OP, how exactly are they giving us too much information? Here's what we know about dragons

-They fly around on their own and don't follow a script
-They can use shouts
-You can eat their souls

That's pretty much it.

and don't forget that they have different types
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:50 pm

And to further contribute to the OP, None of Tolkien's works - save his retelling of V?lsungasaga, contained dragons.


What? What about "The children of Hurin" and "The Hobbit." Those both contain dragons. And the OP never said anything about Tolkien, what does Tolkien have to do with dragons in Skyrim being over-hyped? Anyways, you're just annoying, don't talk, lol.


To the main point of this thread: I disagree that dragons are being overhyped. The entire main story is about dragons and their arrival to Skyrim/Tamriel whatever. And, also, the dragons look to be very well done. So I think the hype/attention brought on them is warranted. No game has (at least that I've played or heard of) done anything close to the extent gamesas has done to dragons in a game. I'm with you, though, about your opinion on them revealing too much info about the dragons. I don't want to know about all the dragon shouts and whatnot, I like to be surprised. I guess I could not read all the news, though. But it's so hard!
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:59 pm

How are dragons not fantasy related? They're fake, flying, fantastical creatures. What the hell do you mean by a shape that perfect beings transform into? And no teenagers are not obsessed with wolves...where are you from? lol

1. Contribute is not a synonym for relate.
2. Any attempt I make at a rebuttal would fall upon deaf ears, as I honestly don't believe you're familliar with the real-world origin of the mythological beast. Try looking up Fáfnir (Fr?nir), J?rmungandr (The Midgard Serpent), or the Anglo-Saxon poem Beowulf.
3. /facedesk
4. You obviously aren't well versed in the seedier parts of the internet.
5. A beautiful place called Something Awful.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:29 pm



Also, OP, how exactly are they giving us too much information? Here's what we know about dragons

-They fly around on their own and don't follow a script
-They can use shouts
-You can eat their souls

That's pretty much it.



Exactly my point. That's ALL we know. And they keep repeating it like a damned broken record. Every video, every interview mentions them.

I'm more and more tempted to just bypass the game and wait for the quality mods to start pouring in as mich as I hate to say it.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:05 pm

If they were letting us RIDE the things I'd be intrigued. I might actually be arsed to mod that in myself.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:59 am

What? What about "The children of Hurin" and "The Hobbit." Those both contain dragons. And the OP never said anything about Tolkien, what does Tolkien have to do with dragons in Skyrim being over-hyped? Anyways, you're just annoying, don't talk, lol.


To the main point of this thread: I disagree that dragons are being overhyped. The entire main story is about dragons and their arrival to Skyrim/Tamriel whatever. And, also, the dragons look to be very well done. So I think the hype/attention brought on them is warranted. No game has (at least that I've played or heard of) done anything close to the extent gamesas has done to dragons in a game. I'm with you, though, about your opinion on them revealing too much info about the dragons. I don't want to know about all the dragon shouts and whatnot, I like to be surprised. I guess I could not read all the news, though. But it's so hard!

Let's run down the list.
Smaug was a sentient being and, as such, was not a dragon in the traditional sense.
Glaurung didn't have wings.
Ancalagon was a drake; not only that, but a drake bred by The Second Dark Lord - which made him an abomination.
Scatha was a wyrm, not a dragon.
Tolkien died before The Children of Húrin was finished.

Lastly, I'm not annoyed. Whatever image you have of me slamming my fists against my keyboard is false.
Oh, and I'm not speaking; I'm typing.

EDIT: And I mentioned Tolkien because, without him, Today's fantasy genre wouldn't exist.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:59 pm

At least the hype isnt about Cliff Racers.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:34 pm

I hope they remove them from the game...
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:27 pm

Dragons are quite honestly THE fantasy monster. A large monstrous reptile with hard scales and powerful jaws, that is not only capable of flight, but powerful magic. They possess cunning and intellect equal to any other sentient race, and are often above that. The hype is not unearned.


This ^

The dragons in Skyrim are the best well done dragons in any game in history unarguably.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:51 pm

[censored] moderators removed my last comment, which was not justified! That really irks me...what I said was not against any rules, was having a [censored] philosophical discussion! You guys are WAY too uptight! :swear: :flame:
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[censored] moderators removed my last comment, which was not justified! That really irks me...what I said was not against any rules, was having a [censored] philosophical discussion! You guys are WAY too uptight! :swear: :flame:


I'm OK now :foodndrink:
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:49 am

1. Contribute is not a synonym for relate.
2. Any attempt I make at a rebuttal would fall upon deaf ears, as I honestly don't believe you're familliar with the real-world origin of the mythological beast. Try looking up Fáfnir (Fr?nir), J?rmungandr (The Midgard Serpent), or the Anglo-Saxon poem Beowulf.
3. /facedesk
4. You obviously aren't well versed in the seedier parts of the internet.
5. A beautiful place called Something Awful.


What they contribute to the fantasy genre is that they're ancient and powerful creatures, usually of great intellect and magical potential, who serve as the quintessential adversary of the stereotypical fantasy hero. Their origins are irrelevant seeing as they're now deeply ingrained into modern fantasy as a whole.

Also teenagers =/= furries. Most teenagers don't give a [censored] about them and most furries are homosixual men in their mid-twenties. Also, I'm glad you think it's beautiful to pay ten dollars to kiss Lowtax's ass and never point out the fact that in spite of SA's pathological hatred of furries Shmorky drew diaperfur commissions back in the day, because after all that would anger Lowtax and get you a ban.
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Post » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:17 am

I'm gonna go ahead and call that one right now. The dragons are being ridiculously overhyped.... I wish that developers wouldn't do this cause it kills the magic of the features of the game.

Why not tell us less, and really deliver the goods?

Instead its "DRAGONS DRAGONS OMFG DRAGONS!!!!!! UNSCRPTED OMG"....

Seriously, gimme a break. They'll be fun, no doubt. And then.... That's it.


If you dont want to hear more about the game then get off the forums, stop looking up information, and shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I think you should take your negativity to Elswyr unless you can say something constructive and worthwhile.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:35 pm

two things i dont really get, why dragons get attention at all, unless they have the diversity of monster hunter dragons (or what ever they are called) then they will be unintresting imo -_-
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:59 pm

They are dragons. Deal with it.
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Post » Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:28 pm

Let's run down the list.
Smaug was a sentient being and, as such, was not a dragon in the traditional sense.
Glaurung didn't have wings.
Ancalagon was a drake; not only that, but a drake bred by The Second Dark Lord - which made him an abomination.
Scatha was a wyrm, not a dragon.
Tolkien died before The Children of Húrin was finished.

Lastly, I'm not annoyed. Whatever image you have of me slamming my fists against my keyboard is false.
Oh, and I'm not speaking; I'm typing.

EDIT: And I mentioned Tolkien because, without him, Today's fantasy genre wouldn't exist.

You seem to view dragon as a word that was invented once and never changed meaning since that time. For example, being sentient stops something from being a dragon how? Just because early legends might have had non-sentient dragons does not mean that is the definition, and even if that was, language changes and evolves over time, and there is nothing about how dragons currently are generally defined that means they are not and can not be sentient.

Here's the current common definition.

1. A mythical monster like a giant reptile. In European tradition the dragon is typically fire-breathing and tends to symbolize chaos or evil, whereas in the Far East it is usually a beneficent symbol of fertility.


Dragons in ancient or recent mythology and literature have been portrayed in an enormous variety of ways.
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