So the animations are going to be terrible again? Boo. : V - Skyrim

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:42 am

Why don't you stop your dumb [censored]ing and making ridiculous assumptions. The animations in this game are bad compared to other games and are only superior to the games of this franchise.

No matter how much dirt you people throw against the OP or make laughable excuses, This game lacks good animations. Look out the [censored] window for a change and start noticing that not everything is all positive and sunshine. Could you not care less about animations then what the hell are you doing in here? If you think these animations are comparable or even superior then most games out there, then you need to go play something and come back later.

Even if Skyrim has far superior animations then its previous installments...it still lacks. And it hurts to still see enemies move with the grace of a puppet and moving around like they are somehow always indecisive about how to stand their ground. Its no game breaker but immersion breaker combat wise for not just but one. Its just disappointing to see such a great game take so much leapes forward but also several leapes backwards. If you don't agree then fine but don't go making stupid assumptions and false claims

U mad bro?

U just spent a whole lot of time raging on your keyboard.

On a side note thank you for proving the point for me against the op. You tell me to stop making assumtioms and then tell me to look out the window.

I dont know if you have a deficiency or a learning impediment but in all of the rambling rage you failled to miss my point wich I will clarify for you.

5 years later, same tech , bigger game , more demanding on the system. And much much better animations. No ther are not as good as some games that are less demanding on the system.

Now on to your rage. I have read throigh nine pages of the op raging against everyone who says that the animations arnt terrible. And I made a statement about it. im not a beth apologist there are things I dont agree with and things im not happy about. But at the same time you dont need to try to run laps around the forum tryong to prove how ugly it will be.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:42 pm

U mad bro?

U just spent a whole lot of time raging on your keyboard.

On a side note thank you for proving the point for me against the op. You tell me to stop making assumtioms and then tell me to look out the window.

I dont know if you have a deficiency or a learning impediment but in all of the rambling rage you failled to miss my point wich I will clarify for you.

5 years later, same tech , bigger game , more demanding on the system. And much much better animations. No ther are not as good as some games that are less demanding on the system.

Now on to your rage. I have read throigh nine pages of the op raging against everyone who says that the animations arnt terrible. And I made a statement about it. im not a beth apologist there are things I dont agree with and things im not happy about. But at the same time you dont need to try to run laps around the forum tryong to prove how ugly it will be.

Animations are just not good no matter how you slice it. I do not care about Bethesda's situation or about any other excuse.

If you think the animations in this game are superior to the previous installments then I agree with you 100%

If you think the animations are actually good or even better then most games then you need to take rest.

The OP has every right to criticise the animations. If you cannot suffer it then try to oppose him with valid arguments and do not make excuses on Beths behalf about their development cycle or anything from that direction

Skyrims animations svck compared to many other games? Yes... I cannot imagine you denying this claim right here.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:22 am

Animations are just not good no matter how you slice it. I do not care about Bethesda's situation or about any other excuse.

If you think the animations in this game are superior to the previous installments then I agree with you 100%

If you think the animations are actually good or even better then most games then you need to take rest.

The OP has every right to criticise the animations. If you cannot suffer it then try to oppose him with valid arguments and do not make excuses on Beths behalf about their development cycle or anything from that direction

Skyrims animations svck compared to many other games? Yes... I cannot imagine you denying this claim right here.

Everybody has a right to their own opinion. Some people like you and the OP say the animations svck compared to other games. While the majority of the people on this thread say that the animations are good and even great compared to other games and the past bethesda games. No matter how much you and the other side argues everybody will always have a different opinion. It just so happens that the majority of people on this thread think that the animations look great. I for one think that the animations look great and awesome. You do not. We have different opinions, so lets move and quit this flaming.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:42 am

I am an animation freak and I thought the animiations were great! I mean they look much better than Oblivion and FO3 by a million miles. It to me compares almost to Mirrors Edge, Final Fantasy XIII and ect. I still wish I could see my legs like in Mirrors Edge, Halo games, BF3 ect. But that is a different topic.

Edit: Also when I saw the E3 gameplay, I [censored] myself looking at those animations for enemies, player, ect. So I still think they are great. People saying Red dead Redemption and Rockstar games had good animations, I am very confused, cause I am literally an animation freak. (which kinda made me not like playing Oblivion a whole whole lot, still play it a lot anyways) I think Rockstar games do not have a good animation base. They do not look smooth to me or fluid. (Skyrim does have some tweaks but remember bigger world, better graphics by a long shot, more detail ect. But what we saw is still ALPHA, and it looked great still) Good animation companies and or games are ones like I listed above. Or Sega, capcom and Nintendo(ish).

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:45 pm

There appears to be an actual animation for walking forward+right at the same time instead of seeing the forward running animation playing all the time.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:39 am

You have to realize that games are all built upon engines that are designed to do certain things. Games you think of as having great animation most likely don't have as big of a game world as Skryim will have.. therefore more resources can be used to put in to motion capture and animation in those games. This is a huge world with lots of engine resources being used up by other things so you don't have to deal with loading screens between sections of the world map. With built animations your also judging on the builders artistic style of animating. It's not like every animator out there is going to make things exactly the same. Just as in art some sculptors go for over realistic while others go for abstract. You can't say Moore wasn't a great sculptor because his stuff doesn't resemble Donatello.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:47 pm

Its not the claim that I have a problem with its the premis.

You have to take into account all of the stress that is put on the system in an open world game thats the problem I have with the op.

Thats like coplaining that even though my minivan is super versatile it dosnt perform like a sportscar.

Well the minivan cant because its got 200 things goin on at once the sportscar just has to go fast.

Well crysis was built to look pretty. Its got very little goin on in the way of what the computer has to load at any single time because it only has to be ready for the character to go in one general direction. Any totaly open world game will suffer given the current tech because the engine has to be ready for whatever we the player wants to do.

I wont dissagree that the animations are not revolutionary for videogames, but as a genre this one is hard to be incredible with graphics.

Again im not being an apologist or making excuses . There are facts about rendering and cpu\gpu capabilitys and im just telling you them

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:01 am

The only animation that was lacking a little for me was when the bandit bowman was walking backwards, and I could live with that. Other than that, everything looked great.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:05 pm

Everybody has a right to their own opinion. Some people like you and the OP say the animations svck compared to other games. While the majority of the people on this thread say that the animations are good and even great compared to other games and the past bethesda games. No matter how much you and the other side argues everybody will always have a different opinion. It just so happens that the majority of people on this thread think that the animations look great. I for one think that the animations look great and awesome. You do not. We have different opinions, so lets move and quit this flaming.

You are right ofcourse but still I cannot wrap my head around the fact that people are being more then satisfied with the animations and defending them with hostile ferocity. I mean...enemies drop to the ground as if their bodies suddenly went numb and look like they are struggling to even get their bearings. It is disappointing to see a sequel evolve so poorly in this aspect. Especially when we know what today's technology is capable off

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:36 pm

You are right ofcourse but still I cannot wrap my head around the fact that people are being more then satisfied with the animations and defending them with hostile ferocity. I mean...enemies drop to the ground as if their bodies suddenly went numb and look like they are struggling to even get their bearings. It is disappointing to see a sequel evolve so poorly in this aspect. Especially when we know what today's technology is capable off

That is one thing that you ma agree on. There are some animations that do look like they need some work on. One that does kinda irritate me is the sliding of NPCs. Its prevalent in Oblivion and Fallout 3. They really need to fix that.

Edit: *me

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:28 pm

The Player animation looks SUPERB but the sliding animations of NPC's looked disturbing.Really ruins immersion a little bit. Do you think this can be fixed before release? I also doubt that this can be fixed by mods. Really would like to know why this hasn't been fixed.

Still Skyrim for GOTY! :celebration:

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:10 am

Animations are too slow, that's why. It's just a result of not being "enough" animations. There are no animations for an NPC running sideways, so a slower animation is used. Thus, sliding.

Bethesda just doesn't have the animation budget of RockStar, who can afford tons of motion capture.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:01 pm

The animations look excellent, I'm not sure what games you are playing, but there are few games out there that I can say have better looking animations than what I've seen on Skyrim.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:05 pm

The animations actually look really really good for the most part, and yes, I am comparing them to modern games such as Mass Effect. The only one I was sort of worried about was the Spider, it seems to slide around a bit, and it always reverted back to a squarish unatural state while moving or standing still.

But, I will remember it is still only Alpha footage, late alpha, but still alpha.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:10 am

1. The crap about the smith being fine because he's an expert is absolutely stupid. If you've ever used a grindstone before you'll know you don't do that. He's going to **** up whatever he's working on and yes it can hurt you. An expert smith would focus on his work. Period. This isn't an opinion. This isn't debatable. If you think otherwise you are factually incorrect.

2. The animations aren't up to par with most other games of this gen. They simply aren't. gamesas has never had decent animations. Skyrim's are an improvement over past games, but they're still not up to the level they should be. As for a game that's taxing and still has great animations? BF3.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:48 am

yeah... yeah.... some of you guys complained animation svcks, AI behavior svcks, combat animation svcks, 3rd person movement svcks, water ripples svcks, armor merging svcks, no hardcoe mode svcks, no fishing svcks, no decapitation and dismemberment svcks, no spear svcks, and so on. I could make 1000 list of 'whatever this game has svcks according some of gamesas forum users'

but... you know what? you'll buy this game, play this game until 500++ hours.

admit it.

no, I'm not saying OP and others are ungrateful and [censored]ing, it just tickles me that people keep complain things and like my post in page 3, I could make a list '1000 things that skyrim has svcks'

I remember when Pokemon B/W announced an the poke starters are revealed. Many of them complained about it. the water type is an ugly idiot, the fire type is uncreative, just a pig, with some decorations, the grass type looks like an a$$hole, leaf snake with arms, with a$$hole like eyes.

and guess what? pokemon B/W sold 12.87 million copies around the world. the 6th most selling games in NDS in 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_DS_video_games

maybe the complainers is one of the people who bought this game. and enjoyed it much until today

oh yeah, many reviews said pokemon B/W is one of the best pokemon games, after pokemon gold/silver

what I'm saying is... you keep complained about anything and then you'll play it, and have 500 hours of gameplay, because you enjoyed it very much

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:23 pm

I thought the animation's looked great. :shrug: As long as it's an improvement over previous TES games I'm happy.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:04 pm

1. The crap about the smith being fine because he's an expert is absolutely stupid. If you've ever used a grindstone before you'll know you don't do that. He's going to **** up whatever he's working on and yes it can hurt you. An expert smith would focus on his work. Period. This isn't an opinion. This isn't debatable. If you think otherwise you are factually incorrect.

2. The animations aren't up to par with most other games of this gen. They simply aren't. gamesas has never had decent animations. Skyrim's are an improvement over past games, but they're still not up to the level they should be. As for a game that's taxing and still has great animations? BF3.

Exactly. I don't understand how anybody can possibly say that Skyrim has better animations than any other AAA titles. I easily noticed around 7 or 8 clear examples of sliding throughout the Quakecon video, and it was only 30 minutes long. I'm sure if I looked harder I'd see way more instances of bad animation. Compared to a game like GTAIV or BFBC2, it just isn't acceptable.