I forgot! :sadvaultboy:

Well then, Were gonna have to send you to Sithis brother.

DB guild was the best in OB... I would like the Skyrim one to be longer and possible more difficult... ala person knows ur coming and is hold up in a castle surrounded my an army of men so strong u've no choice but to be stealthy... looking forward to the bonus as well most of the better items in OB were DB items...

:toughninja:

Looks like we have a hide out for the DB.



As an aside, I am NOT at all convinced that Skyrim isn't dumbed down now, if a player could discover that within an hour.

Well done to the lads across the ditch

1 Person Discovered it, And it sounds well Hidden. Who cares if its Dumbed down, It will still be amazing. Whats the point of whining?

I know what is the music of life!
This - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAckshe5Dc0

False! Cause it just made me die!! :teehee:

I'm not whining. Don't get that idea.

The one person who sounded truly determined to try out the game features that were important. The one person out of how many? 100? Tops? The rest of whom didn't get to that area of the map. It's not like it was next to Riverrun. The first guy that got over to that area found it.

and it didn't sound particularly well hidden. It will be visible from the other direction, don't forget. Well hidden is in the basemant of the spell merchants in a major city, with the building located in the busiest part of town. Not in a door in a mountain that screams "OPEN ME!" to anyone near that pond who can see it.

Maybe the DB has many hold outs... maybe this is one of them... maybe they'll move the door to another place now they know one of the journalists found it...

They are named differently in Skyrim though , something like "The Black Hand (of Sithis lol)"

But is this dumbed down? if you get the quest from the dark brotherhood you would be told what to say and it's exact location, well hidden or not, and if you don't have the quest than the door hiding is rather kind of unimportant since if you find it, then what? could the guys who found it open it? no, they didn't even know what it was. It sounds like you say it's dumbed down because it was not well hidden, as in, they purposefully made it easy to find, but what would be the purpose of finding it easy? you can do nothing if you don't have the context sensitive information to break the riddle, the players don't even know what the door is about, and if you have the context sensitive info, you would have been told it's exact location anyway, leaving it's level of disguise irrelevant.

I don't think this is dumbing down, because there's nothing to gain from making it easy to find.

Wow have you even played through the DB In Oblivion? The Black is the Elite Dark Brotherhood, The people in charge of the DB.

The Dark Brotherhood is still The Dark Brotherhood. The Black Hand are the top 5 people(and their personal assassins if you count them). The Black Hand has Four Speakers, one Listener, and Five Silencers(the personal assassins)or five fingers, a thumb, and five nails. A Black Hand is also the DB's symbol(you can see it on OB's Shrouded armor on the shoulder I believe.)

Ouch, I know you need to do your homework before playin Skyrim ^_^
Play the BD quests in Olivion 3 times to repent for your crimes against the DB

I hope too that it will be longer this time, it was the best faction in OB, and the rewards topped the others..also, the armor was fantastic for those who play stealth

I agree with all these things !

Has anyone considered that this is perhaps the lair of the Volkihar?

Maybe "the music of life" is un-death. :shrug:

Or perhaps it is chaccaron maccaron
Who knows?

Say it with me now:

What is the color of night!

:ph34r:

No I Don't it seems more Dark Brotherhood to me, A Hidden door with a Skull on it that Asks you strange Questions? Sound familiar?

Grow complacent and fat on your greed, slaves to nothing. The Morag Tong did not die with Morrowind, and Mephala will send her regards...

That's sort of my problem with it. It sounds TOO familiar. I feel like if this is in fact the D.B. hideout then Bethesda could have been a little more creative.

The skull symbol has me thrown off. Seems like an undead/necromantic symbol more so than a D.B. symbol.

Eh, I don't know. I'm just hoping for a joinable vampire faction. :shrug:

>implying that The Dark Brotherhood doesn't in fact, worship The Webspinner.

The Dark Brotherhood was definitely my favourite faction in Oblivion. I see lots of people saying they were silly but honestly I loved everything about them, their way of speech, the dark sanctuary, the whole atmosphere the faction had. I am 99% sure that door leads to the Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary. And by the sound of it the same atmosphere is still there.

I have to be honest, that note is terrifying, imagine finding it after committing a murder, so creepy, so mysterious.