Oblivion crashes after intro : IV

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:19 pm

Could somebody PLEASE help me to solve this problem?
Ive been installing mods for two days. After last bunch of modifications, Oblivion stopped loading. It just hangs after the intro movie at the loading screen (BEFORE the main menu). I dont really remember what Ive installed correctly, but the ones I remember are:
- Better Cities (complete install, with whole IC, without open cities)
- Duke Patricks Melee combat
- OBGE Liquid Water
- Oblivion Stereo Sound Overhaul
- Quarls Texture Pack 3 Redemized
- Sounds of Cyrodil
- Symphony of Violence
- The Lost Spires
- All Natural
..... I know that I am IDIOT by not testing stability after every major mod install. I SHOULD tested them one by one, but I really want to solve this WITHOUT reinstalling the whole Oblivion.
Here is my CURRENT load order:

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Oblivion.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
FCOM_Convergence.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Better Cities .esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
FCOM_Francescos.esp
FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp
FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
All Natural - MMM Patch.esp
OBGE - Liquid Water.esp
Symphony of Violence.esp
Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp
Storms & Sound.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
Item interchange - Extraction.esp
Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
Cobl Tweaks.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
FCOM_WarCry.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO-Water_Weeds.esp
OMOBS_SI.esp
OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
FCOM_Cobl.esp
FCOM_Convergence.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp
FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp
OOO-WaterFish.esp
MMM-Cobl.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
FCOM_Knights.esp
Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp
300_Test.esp
Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
Duke Patricks - Melee Combat NO RECOIL.esp
Item interchange - Placement.esp
Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp
Cobl Races.esp
bgBalancingEVCore.esp
bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp
bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp
bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp
bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Vanilla.esp
bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp
Better Cities Full.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Cities - All Natural.esp
Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp
Better Cities - COBL.esp
Francesco's day lenght rescale 1-20.esp
FCOM_Archery.esp
Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp
Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp
All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
OBGEv3 Controller.esp

I understand that most experts have other things to do, and also that there are many others that have a lot serious problems, but if anyone, ANYONE have time, PLEASE just take a look and tell me where in the hell is my problem. THANK YOU ! :-)

EDIT: Just a question... is there a log file which shows what is when loaded in Oblivion ?

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:22 pm

Hi there! probably has to do with Duke Patricks. Is my understanding that even if BOSS arrange it in a certain way, for Dukes you need to follow his own load order rules! Pay close attention to his instructions in the readme inside the archive file and not just in the general instructions in the download page. In your load order, I don't see a plugin Patricks mods usually add...something along the lines of "silence script" that has to load last. probably this mod don't use it. I don't know for sure. Just make sure yourself.
Just my two septims!

Cheers!

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:31 am

Thanks for the reply, Ill look for it ...
A quick insight.... when I DISABLE the bashed patch, everything works (atleast the menu shows up). With the patch enabled, the problem appears.

I hope somebody will find it useful ...

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Bashed Patch, 0.esp Config
This is the current configuration of this Bashed Patch. This report has also been copied into your clipboard.

Patch Mode
Python

Merge Patches
FCOM_Francescos.esp

FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp

? All Natural - MMM Patch.esp

? Symphony of Violence.esp

? Item interchange - Extraction.esp

? DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp

? Cobl Tweaks.esp

? OOO-Water_Weeds.esp

FCOM_Cobl.esp

? FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp

? FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp

MMM-Cobl.esp

? FCOM_Knights.esp

? Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

? Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp

? Item interchange - Placement.esp

? Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp

? bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp

? bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp

? bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp

? bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp

Francesco's day lenght rescale 1-20.esp

? Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp

Import Actors
? Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

? Mart's Monster Mod.esm

? Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

? Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

? Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp

? DLCThievesDen.esp

? DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

? Oblivion WarCry EV.esp

? FCOM_WarCry.esp

? Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

? FCOM_Convergence.esp

? FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp

? DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp

? Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

? bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp

Import Actors: AIPackages
? Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

? Mart's Monster Mod.esm

? FCOM_Convergence.esm

? Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

? Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

? DLCOrrery.esp

? DLCThievesDen.esp

? Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

? FCOM_Convergence.esp

? Knights.esp

? Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

Import Actors: Death Items
? Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

? Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

? Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

? Oblivion WarCry EV.esp

? FCOM_WarCry.esp

? FCOM_Convergence.esp

Import Actors: Spells
? Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

? Mart's Monster Mod.esm

? Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

? FCOM_Convergence.esp

? FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp

Import Cells
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

? All Natural.esp

? All Natural - SI.esp

Storms & Sound.esp

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Imperial City.esp

Better Cities - All Natural.esp

? All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp

Import Factions
? Mart's Monster Mod.esm

? FCOM_Convergence.esm

? Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

? Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

? FCOM_Convergence.esp

? DLCFrostcrag.esp

? Knights.esp

? Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

? FCOM_Knights.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

Import Graphics
? Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

? Mart's Monster Mod.esm

All Natural - Real Lights.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

? Oblivion WarCry EV.esp

? Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

? FCOM_Convergence.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

Harvest [Flora].esp

Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

Duke Patricks - Melee Combat NO RECOIL.esp

Import Inventory
? Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

? Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

? Mart's Monster Mod.esm

? Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

? Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

? Oblivion WarCry EV.esp

? FCOM_WarCry.esp

? Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp

? FCOM_Convergence.esp

? Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

? FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp

MMM-Cobl.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

Item interchange - Placement.esp

Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp

Import Relations
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

? Mart's Monster Mod.esm

? FCOM_Convergence.esm

? Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

? Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

? FCOM_Convergence.esp

? Knights.esp

? Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

? FCOM_Knights.esp

Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

Import Scripts
? Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

? Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

? Mart's Monster Mod.esm

? Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

? Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

All Natural - MMM Patch.esp

All Natural - Real Lights.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

? Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

? FCOM_Convergence.esp

? Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

? FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp

Harvest [Flora].esp

Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

Import Stats
? Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

? Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

? Mart's Monster Mod.esm

? Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

? Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

? Oblivion WarCry EV.esp

? FCOM_WarCry.esp

? Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

? OMOBS_SI.esp

? FCOM_Convergence.esp

? Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

? FCOM_Archery.esp

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:23 pm

Your FCOM install doesn't look right. Go to the FCOM thread - it's usually in the first page of this forum. Follow the install instructions *exactly*. Make sure you use BOSS. What color is your bashed patch? If it's red, you have a missing master and your game will crash. You should rebuild it anyway whenever you change your mods before you start playing.

Also, since your game is crashing before the main menu, try deleting your oblivion.ini file (in the My Games\Oblivion\) folder, and let the game regenerate a new one.

Hope that helps. Good luck!

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:22 pm

And post your load order using Bash.

Right click on top bar in Mods tab, and select "List Mods". Paste it here.

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:21 am

Mod list:

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Active Mod Files:

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00  Oblivion.esm [CRC: 2FF840C5]01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3.1] [CRC: 47867C56]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI] [CRC: 2D78AA91]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI] [CRC: DFD4FB97]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73] [CRC: 7C04DAFB]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34] [CRC: C09734F4]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3] [CRC: 5D909483]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3] [CRC: 8899BA8D]08  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 5.0.7] [CRC: 82790783]09  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.7] [CRC: 6AB8F177]0A  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp [CRC: 01B694D9]0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp [CRC: 2BB84977]0C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0] [CRC: 76D7B93C]0D  Better Cities .esp  [Version 4.7.0] [CRC: 8F16A015]0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp [CRC: 45BD7EF9]0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp [CRC: 4F003DB0]10  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp [CRC: BEA456A9]11  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp [CRC: 36DF7A6E]12  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9] [CRC: A27190A9]13  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9] [CRC: 4547AA1F]14  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9] [CRC: 60FF114D]15  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp [CRC: 48A6FB2A]16  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3.1] [CRC: 0C2B2233]17  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3.1] [CRC: FA38076A]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3] [CRC: 8198FCB1]18  OBGE - Liquid Water.esp [CRC: 98001EB9]++  Symphony of Violence.esp [CRC: EDFF56A7]19  Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.1] [CRC: 5A11E6F3]1A  Storms & Sound.esp [CRC: AB61AA5A]1B  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3.1] [CRC: 544AC04C]++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78] [CRC: 46A2A922]1C  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.42] [CRC: C4DFF31B]1D  DLCHorseArmor.esp [CRC: BD0084C5]1E  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6] [CRC: 00F74B09]1F  DLCOrrery.esp [CRC: 351A3894]20  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4] [CRC: 9AA76E38]21  DLCVileLair.esp [CRC: 3B6E3A93]22  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7] [CRC: 5B9FF91B]23  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp [CRC: FD5BE3C6]24  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5] [CRC: FF57D0F8]25  DLCSpellTomes.esp [CRC: 02FA9682]++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1] [CRC: 8CC91BA1]26  DLCThievesDen.esp [CRC: 02E18988]27  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10] [CRC: 401934BE]28  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73] [CRC: 9FA7EEF9]29  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63] [CRC: 8260DFCF]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.73] [CRC: 89E731BC]2A  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp [CRC: DE136AF6]2B  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9] [CRC: 5A017B08]2C  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09] [CRC: 4F32343B]2D  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5] [CRC: 4B541396]2E  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34] [CRC: AD2A2935]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33] [CRC: 5FD2D492]2F  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0] [CRC: 6F998DD2]30  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72] [CRC: 10345C67]31  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3] [CRC: 711706C0]32  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3] [CRC: C4599A53]33  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3] [CRC: D86E01A7]34  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3] [CRC: 6025C7D0]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9] [CRC: ACBB13AD]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9] [CRC: 5C5585E0]35  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34] [CRC: A13730DE]36  DLCFrostcrag.esp [CRC: 1E5A24A7]37  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5] [CRC: 5744D6B8]38  Knights.esp [CRC: 4CB1DF3D]39  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2] [CRC: 2F15B12C]3A  The Lost Spires.esp [CRC: 5B6ADFB3]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3] [CRC: A982ADDD]3B  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08] [CRC: 12B26267]3C  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp [CRC: B02B5753]3D  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0] [CRC: 93873332]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0] [CRC: 05003A29]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0] [CRC: 4C040612]3E  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0] [CRC: ADFEEDB5]3F  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp [CRC: DC2B0A47]40  Duke Patricks - Melee Combat NO RECOIL.esp  [Version 2.8] [CRC: 0B9AFF0E]++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.78] [CRC: 1F177C07]++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78] [CRC: A496C1BE]41  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D] [CRC: 1D271E40]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U] [CRC: 4EC71B13]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D] [CRC: 3EA95A98]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10] [CRC: 2C92DF99]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.] [CRC: 567146A5]42  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 5.0.7] [CRC: 91904417]43  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.0.0] [CRC: 8687BBCC]44  Better Cities - All Natural.esp  [Version 4.9.5] [CRC: C850522C]45  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 5.0.0] [CRC: 3AF50385]46  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1] [CRC: 489B15CF]47  Francesco's day lenght rescale 1-20.esp [CRC: 2FF5F706]**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9] [CRC: 779D0F82]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53] [CRC: A066EBDE]48  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01] [CRC: 5860AF9A]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3] [CRC: 8565EC88]49  Bashed Patch, 0.esp [CRC: 292F21A7]4A  OBGEv3 Controller.esp [CRC: 31305635]

Deleting Oblivion.ini didnt helped

FCOM ... Well...I dont argue that it is perfectly right, but the game worked before.

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:28 pm

I just answered a similar question in FCOM thread. rebuild patch but do not import actor spells from OOO or FCOM mods. Then try.

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:09 pm

Peter ID, you are truly GENIUS ! THANK YOU milion times ! :-)

Although I still dont understand why it worked before, and didnt worked after, when I didnt changed anything related to "importing actor spells". But I guess it will remain a mystery to me.

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:54 am

I just answered a similar question in FCOM thread. rebuild patch but do not import actor spells from OOO or FCOM mods. Then try.

and I have been tracking people who have had this problem, trying to find a common cause for the problem

has it works for me, so it is not something directly caused by fcom itself, if it is hard to track down once again..

I thought that maybe it was bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp but it is not that..

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:52 pm

It could be anything...
The most recent patch rebuild was for the All Natural (Import Cells).
Also, I think (although Im not quite sure) I had to upgrade Item Interchange to ver. 0.78 (I was rebuilding there too).
Try these, maybe they are your answer.
Good Luck, and thank you again ! :-)

(Its such a wonderful feeling to play Oblivion again, this time FCOM-ed)

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:22 am

I can say for sure it's not II 0.78 - I use it just fine without problems.

I don't use All Natural, though.

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:10 am

Disable COBL races, it's basically a watered down RBP which you have loading after cobl races anyway.

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:25 am

and I have been tracking people who have had this problem, trying to find a common cause for the problem

has it works for me, so it is not something directly caused by fcom itself, if it is hard to track down once again..

I thought that maybe it was bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp but it is not that..

Perhaps it is a wrye bash version but I do not recall exactly if this started happening after an upgrade some time back. I just ran an FCOM last week and had no problems importing these tags to make the game work. SO my bet would be something with Wrye bash as the mods have always been the same. Perhaps the difference between a standalone and a full wrye bash. Wrye bash seems to have been the only changing feature during my different builds over time.

» Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:40 pm

Peter ID, you are truly GENIUS ! THANK YOU milion times ! :-)

Although I still dont understand why it worked before, and didnt worked after, when I didnt changed anything related to "importing actor spells". But I guess it will remain a mystery to me.

You can try re adding either FCOM or OOO to the import actor spells to see which one it really is that causes the problem as I remember only one did but not which one.