Hey everyone. I'm posting this here in the Oblivion forum because I wanna hear specifically from the hardcoe Oblivion players whom I know the best, mirocu, Acadian, Lady-Mara, etc, but anyone can join in, of course. I keep noticing a lot of y'all saying you won't even touch Skyrim upon release, or you'll wait months before getting into it, or you'll start it "only to see if it's worthy".

Why all the doubts? It's gonna be amazing, of this I am sure. How can any of y'all even consider delaying your Skyrim experience?!? :whistling: It baffles me! It's like grandma is baking cookies, the best cookies in the world, but you're gonna wait until they're cold before even taking a bite!

These doubts seem to be mostly the from PC crowd, which leads me to believe you're mostly waiting for particular mods to hit the scene. There aren't as many pure vanilla players here (like myself) so my viewpoint may be somewhat biased. I'll admit I LOVE Oblivion for lots and lots of reasons (as you all know) but I can't wait for Skyrim. I'm sitting here at work today reading and drooling over the Bethesda forums> Skyrim> Quakecom thread (where all the interviews & character screenshots were posted) :drool: and dammit 11-11-11 can't get here fast enough! I don't get the doubting!

Before some of you way "well it's cuz you've never tried the modded game, Renee", I imagine even if I were on a PC, 11-11-11 couldn't get here fast enough! From what I'm reading, vanilla Skyrim sounds miles better than Oblivion as I know it for sure for sure.

Anyways, discuss....

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For me it has to do with my initial experience with Oblivion. Coming from a horror game which I didn′t like into this (although sometimes violently) calm world that let me play in my own pace was a true Bliss *wink-wink*. And I have explained this before. What game and indeed what movie you like the best, the first or the second, almost solely depends on which one you see/play first. For the same reason I never played Deus Ex′sequels I won′t play the next game in The Elder Scrolls series, because I will most likely be disappointed. Much like many gamers coming from Morrowind into Oblivion were. It is almost impossible not to compare the sequel to the previous game, no matter how hard you try.

This said, of course Skyrim will be awesome. At least graphics-wise, I′m not sure quest or experience-wise. You are btw quite right about PC gamers being the most sceptic. As we know the potential of our computers we hate seeing games being dumbed down to attract more casual gamers and to ease up the controls in favor for the consoles. But who knows, maybe I will pick up Skyrim in due time. I will let the cookie cool down first though as I don′t like being part of a hype :wink_smile:

Edit: No, I do not think console gamers are dumb :shrug:

Hey some of my grandma's cookies taste good frozen.

For me its money issues. So many great games coming out at the same time and im not sure which ones to get.

I suppose I'm scared more than anything. Oblivion and Morrowind are very good and have kept me entertained for hours.

When FO3 was coming out, people said it would be just Oblivion with guns. It wasn't at all. It was a very good game and very original and fun, but it was nothing like Oblivion. It never kept me captivated like Oblivion did, and it just overall felt different. It felt more like an action game.

My concern is that Skyrim will just be Fallout 3 "without" guns; that it will be heavily action oriented and wont allow strong roleplay. That the player will only be able to get satisfaction from going out of a town and killing a dragon.

That really scares me about Skyrim, because they have the potential to make a gem, or just something that you want to play a few times and then shelf.

I certainly wont put off buying it though, and I'll certainly try my hardest to play it like a RPG.

I am optimistic about Skyrim! I will however delay playing it for at least another year or two. Be assured I have no intention of becoming an Oblivion elitist; we have enough elitism from Oblivion's predecessor to choke an ogre. My choice to delay is not a negative reflection on Skyrim; rather it is due to a short list of reasons:

1. I'm simply nowhere near done with Oblivion. My character has much to do. Her game reflects her fanfic story and she has ever so much more tale to tell. The prose process slows things down dramatically.

2. I like to get into a game, master it and stay there for years. Typically about five years per game. No doubt this means some games never grace my screen; I expect however that Skyrim likely will at some point. To me, the timing of moving to Skyrim in a couple years seems perfect.

3. When I play, I don't like to stumble along, learning as I go. I realize that I am in the minority, but I like to study and learn the game before I ever play it. If I'm going to live in that world, I want to know how it works going in. I also want any bumps in the game sorted out long before I get there. This means a full blown wiki, reviews, patches, you tubes, a base of well-experienced forum players to ask questions of. . . you get the idea. I have found this process very helpful at avoiding false starts or picking up games that turn out to be not what I want.

Oblivion was out about a year and a half before I picked it up and I don't regret my timing there at all. Regarding Skyrim, I am very thankful for brave chompers at the bit who will forge right in on 11 11 11 and begin to sort through it all. I'm sure I will join you at some point. :foodndrink:

I'll be right there at midnight to pick up a copy of Skyrim.
However I'm not as eager for Skyrim because I'm having a blast in Oblivion right now. I've got my game modded out and have started to pick up some modding skills myself.

Lol, Acadian.
It doesn't take years to master Oblivion.
And there's really no point to it.

My reason is very simple. I'm not going to pay to be a beta tester. I never buy anything when it first hits the market.

There will be bugs, and there will be a patch for the bugs, and then a patch for the bugs introduced by the patch... Meanwhile, the user community will find the bugs, and the workarounds for the bugs, and about the time that the modders start to actually fix the problems, Bethesda will be "finished" with Skyrim, and their focus will be on Fallout North Dakota. :wink_smile:

I didn't say it takes years to master it. I said I like to master it, then spend years there - something entirely different.

Is there any point to any game aside from enjoying it the way one chooses?

I presume you'll be one of the Skyrim beta testers? :tongue:

I shall speak for the PC crowd and say that most of our doubts are hardware related, mostly by Bethesda restricting themselves to DX9 for programming the game engine and mostly just putting in the DX11 support as an afterthought. However, who says you can't make a beautiful game out of DX9? I mean, The Witcher 2 pulled it off, why can't Bethesda?

However, there is a point to be made here, by giving over primary support to the consoles, Bethesda has essentially forced themselves to develop for antiquated hardware first, which means they are not using their engine to the fullest potential. Why? Because it's safe. It's no secret that most of the money in games is found with the console users now. Of course, to say that Bethesda is not considering the PC users would be an outright lie, as per tradition for them the PC users are being allowed usage of their SDK... for free. No other developer does that (at least, none that exist any longer), and if this is the sacrifice we must pay (lack of improved hardware support in return for the ability to mod), I will happily accept that.

Besides, Skyrim will support DirectX 11 in the engine, so given the creative minds we have working for us in the modding community, they may be able to get those extra niceties like tessellation and improved lighting in through injected code. We can't rule that out.

Anyways, I'm not holding back on Skyrim, I am a little disappointed in some of Bethesda's decisions (removal of attributes being my best example), but I am ready to see what the game has in store for us instead.

Im using gamefly for my games atm, I got Portal 2 today and Im going to mail it back a couple days before the new deus ex comes out.

Despite what alot of people think, Im so excited for this game. Not just because of what I've seen but because it looks alot more fun than oblivion..And thats coming from someone who has played thousands of hours of it. I even considered burning oblivion because skyrim was coming out. But of course I wont do that because that would be a waste of one of my favorite games. Skyrim won't have a price drop for at least a year. But it is sad seeing the attribute system go among other things, but the only thing that stays the same is everything changes.

People expect Bethesda to revamp the attribute system..I can't see anyway it could be improved, and I've heard people say they should have certain attributes affect certain muscles, bones, etc. Well lets see..muscles would fall into the strength attribute..Your brain power would fall under intelligence. Theres just no way to improve this system, even though I did enjoy having it, and i know it has alot of RP value to it. Its just outdated, that system is nearly 40 years old. About as old as video games themselves.

I can understand skepticism, but this game just looks too good to pass up. Edit: As for me I wont have any problem transitioning.

really of course it′s skyrim duh at least you can play it for a 5 years and if you buy Cod or battlefield you are at least a bit stupid because i in 2 days can passed all that to games together

Gamefly is a money drain. it looks good on the surface but it svcks down your money. had it for a while but it wasnt worth it. it took about a week to switch between games and the games are, understandably, console games whereas i like PC games because i like the keyboard and mouse level of control. I guess it could be good if it got you out of paying $60 for a game you would end up hating and never playing again but if you plan on spending a good amount of time on the game you could easily end up spending more than it would have cost to buy the game. not to mention the fact they can't get too many of the good games so i usually had to play some other lesser game while i waited for the game i really wanted. well they probably could get enough copies but that would be bad business. All in all it was just not worth it for me.

I'm a PC gamer and a mod user and I'm installing Skyrim on the morning of 11-11-11. I pre-ordered Morrowind and had it shipped via overnight express; I pre-ordered Oblivion and had it shipped via overnight express and I'm planning to pre-order Skyrim and have it shipped via overnight express very soon.

I dearly love the Elder Scrolls games. No other game or game series even comes close in my affections. So I can't imagine not wanting to play the newest game in the TES series, any more than I could imagine not wanting to be with the person I love. When I love someone truly I want to be with them, now! That's just the way I am. I guess I'm more emotional than other gamers. *shrug*

Firstly i have no idea what the second half of your sentence is.

Secondly, well i wont buy Battlefield but thats partly because i didnt like battlefield bad company 2. As for CoD MW3, i still play MW2 so that was definitely a good investment. MW3 hopefully will be too when i get around to buying it. And i will buy Skyrim, it's just a matter of when. I have college to worry about soon too so that's more money i dont have to spend. I might not be buying any of the big games right when they come out.

Well you didn't ask me :sadvaultboy:

And I consider myself a "hardcoe Oblivion Player"... Got it a few days after release and I'm still actively playing, including today.


But I don't have any particular doubts about Skyrim, and I'm happy with (almost?) everything I've heard. I've pre-ordered with release day delivery from Amazon. It's my most anticipated game at the moment.

I release there might be bugs on release, but Fallout 3 and Oblivion were not that buggy upon release. So I'm eager to play.

And, this is important, I am not going to be considering this an Oblivion expansion! I'm looking forward to Skyrim as a fresh innovative view of the Elder Scrolls Universe, but a game unto itself. So it doesn't bother me one bit that some things are missing like separate Greaves and Cuirass, or Classes. Because I know there are more things added like crafting, etc. And there should be a huge new world to explore and learn about -- that is Bethesda's strength.

So this is one hardcoe Oblivion Player really looking forward to Skyrim on 11-11-11

Yay! Someone that shares my point of view!