Alright so I completely understand what is meant by war never changes. But doesn't it really depend on what your take on changes is?

For example the transition of melee weapons to guns, a slow but sure transition, wouldn't that be a change.

Also how about stategies or tactics, such as Sun Tzu's art of war, it changed the strategies. What he wrote is still used today.

Or how about armor, to put it simply it was less in the bc's then it grew more into the ad's then it was less with the creation of guns, and even less getting towards today, and now it is more again with bullet proof vests.

So wouldn't something like "The basics of war never change" be more appropriate. Clearly not as catchy, but I think it is more accurate.

Do you think for a second that if the NCR had access to Nuclear Weapons it wouldn't use them on the Legion? Despite what happened last time?

The motivations for war never change, hunger for resources, territory and if it can be done as fast and cheap as possible then so be it.

Yeah, that is why I said:

It doesn’t change. If you watch the news and look up stuff on History!

You would know it doesn’t change.....

:facepalm:

Did you even read it, or just look at the title and post...

The reasons why wars happen are not the basics; tactics and the way that they are fought are the basics because constantly change and evolve.

The reasons why however are constant, hence, War never changes. In-fact it is illustrated perfectly in Fallout:

War. War never changes.

The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth. Spain built an empire from its lust for gold and territory. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into an economic superpower.

But war never changes.

War is always about the same thing ultimately.

Yes and I said this becouse The Enclave beat me too it. So :facepalm: back at you.

That is really what I'm trying to say. The basics as there are opposing sides, they fight, one wins and gains something.

Also I'm guessing not to many Fallout fans know this, but you should google, Metal Gear Solid 4 War changes.

EDIT: It is also a take on the near future so some things are different.

You can argue this till the cows come home and I don't need some waffle-fest like Metal Gear to try and tell me what to think.

The point of Fallout is that War never really changes because it is, has and always will be about resources and territory as opposed to any ideological motive. What you claimed as the basics are the means and they always change, the ends typically doesn't.

I can only think of one thing that may be different, how about Iran with all their "Death to Israel" "Death to America"

The Israel part I could see territory as a motive, but for America I just see it as they hate America so they want them dead, because they made some decisions in during the 80's and 90's that Iran doesn't like.

Don't mean to go off topic but a Waffle-Fest sounds yummy.

Thought I would throw out some mumble jumble on the definition of War.

1. a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.

2. a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations: The two nations were at war with each other.

3. a contest carried on by force of arms, as in a series of battles or campaigns: the War of 1812.

4. active hostility or contention; conflict; contest: a war of words.

5. aggressive business conflict, as through severe price cutting in the same industry or any other means of undermining competitors: a fare war among airlines; a trade war between nations.

Or as haggard from bad company 2 would say "The cowboys got to war every sunday"

That's the methods with which war is waged.

War never changes.

War is still fought for the same reasons; religion, nationalism, greed, "simple psychotic rage." It doesn't make a bit of difference if the method is sword, or gun, or LAZARR BEAAMZZ. The causes of war remain the same, no matter how it's fought.

War never changes because human nature never changes. it all comes down to the base drives of humanity. Humans have needs, and desires, and are willing to do anything to Accomplish that goal.

to quote the Sniper,


we may play at being an enlightened bunch, But were still born with a Cave man In our brain, and it will win out if push comes to shove

War. War never changes.. Until Aliens attack :ahhh:




Seriously The Enclave has it right ^

It is also backed up by Fallout 2 "too many humans and not enough space or resources to go around."

In terms of military Tactics "War. War never changes, since the dawn of human kind when our ancestors first discovered the killing power of rock and bone, blood has been spilled in the name of everything from God to justice to simple psychotic rage." Mankind will always find new ways of killing one another. That is something that will never change.

In summary:

the weapons and tactics used to make war change.

But War, War never changes.

It all depends on the way you look at it. War tactics and weaponry changes with every advancedment in technology. And the reseasons for war are almost always the same, one country or group of people (in civil wars) wants something the other has (whether its certain rights or wealth) so they go to war.

War, War Never Changes is basically saying people lay down their lives for something they want or their leaders want.

"You can't say civilization don't advance, however, for in every war they kill you a new way." — Will Rogers

I think when it says war never changes it really means like the reason and the outcome
Reason: Jealousy, Greedy, Ambition, Desperation.
Outcome: Death and loss of live for all sides involved.
Whats inbetween doesn't really matter because its always going to be different.
But the why it started and the how it ended will always be the same.