well, i was just looking through the imperial library, and came across some stuff mentioning the emperor of ka'po'tun, the tiger-dragon, tosh raka's goals...

i dont know if this stuff has already been mentioned, but i dont recall seeing anything about this... its always been speculation on the connections between akatosh and alduin, and sometimes auriel.

has anyone considered for a second that alduin might actually be tosh raka?

i mean, i found some interesting quotes that got me thinking... one stating that he is even the largest dragon in the world.

i also read this... and it just seems kind of obvious at this point.



what if the tsaesci empire has fallen in those 200 years, and now tosh raka is coming for tamriel?

maybe the dragons returning are actually from the rest of the tiger people succeeding in transforming into dragons, as well?

you cant deny that this is surprisingly coincidental... also, whether or not it actually has any relation, look at his name... "tosh raka" ...basically an anagram of "akatosh", but with an "R" added to it.

he also supposedly has a reputation as a divine being.

if it is indeed tosh raka, then that means we may get some news on akavir in-game... because obviously, he'll have succeeded in destroying the tsaesci and conquering akavir if he's attacking tamriel now.

He is also the largest dragon in the world. But he is described as having "Black and orange stripes" ... like a tiger. I have thought of this too. I think it's a very big possibility.

No, Alduin is Alduin. This is not an invasion from Akavir, it is the end of the current kalpa, of the world as we know it, and the Dovahkiin is destined to avert it somehow.

he may not actually have tiger stripes, there is always some details getting changed with gossip, etc...

as i look at the statue of alduin posted on bethblog... he does appear to be an orange-ish color mixed with black.

http://cdnstatic.gamesas.com/bethblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/012.jpg

i could be wrong, i suppose... but it seems more likely than some mortal god with atleast 2-3 personalities attacking people, with the entire race of dragons popping up out of thin air.

seems much more likely that tosh raka's people finally managed to become dragons like he did, and they wiped out the tsaesci during the 200 years.

its the only explanation we have for the return of the dragons, so far... and why this god is attacking tamriel specifically, despite him being the WORLD eater.

First rule of Akavir, you do not talk about Akavir
Second rule of Akavir, you DO NOT talk about Akavir

But really, when it comes to Akavir, banish any thought about it, for the only place it has, at this point, is being the mysterious island of the east. Also, if you read the lore, you would know Alduin =/= some kitty who become a dragon, whether literal or metaphorical. This ain't no invasion of [censored] Akavir, this is stuff coming back from before the Dawn to bite your butt off and eat the world. This is pre-Mundus [censored] we're dealing with here.

yeah, but one thing we know about the lore is that its just as confusing and possibly intentionally mixed-up as real-life religion and legends...

as for myself... im sticking to my guns, i believe this may be another akaviri invasion, simply under the guise of old legends and prophecy.

besides, considering this info came from the book "mysterious akavir", and no one knows who the author is, and it seems to have details no other source can confirm... how do we know someone who actually lives on or visited akavir didnt write the book?

it simply mentions tosh raka is orange and black... doesnt really mention him having stripes.

Stick to your guns all you want, but there's absolutely nothing to suggest that Tosh Raka is Alduin whatsoever. That statue's all gray anyways. And remember, it's not a figurine of Alduin, it's a figurine of a statue of Alduin. You can't really rely on collector's edition bonus materials to interpret lore.

they confirmed that statue was made from in-game files of alduin, though... so that should be EXACTLY how he'll look in-game.

also, its not "all grey", if you looked at that image i linked to and zoom in to its full size, you can clearly see he isnt completely grey.

well, whatever... go head and think what you want, im just simply offering another very possible and likely explanation behind the attack.

If you feel convinced already, then I really see no point in trying to tell you otherwise, other than the fact there has practically been no lore about Akavir, save for a single book that's not too much of a reliable source.

Have at it.

You're right, how could I be so foolish as to not mention that his wings are a grayish-brown?

Like Hellmouth says you don't seem to be open to anything else. There's really nothing at all to suggest that your explanation is likely, especially since Esbern's speech in the trailer seems to hearken back to some ancient Nord history. But whatever. "Have at it."

thats just it, though... wouldnt this be a good time to add more lore to akavir, with another invasion?

suppose i'll just have to wait until skyrim comes out to see if im right about this... but it would be awesome.

kinda svcks this got moved from the skyrim forum... the lore forum is slower, it also confuses the message in my topic, since im talking about the invasion of the dragons in skyrim, not really about the lore behind alduin himself. :facepalm:

Your argument boils down to "they're Ka Po Tun because the Alduin statue has a color that's similar to orange on it and also I say so." Not exactly compelling.

An interesting theory, and a rather cool one at that. However, the one thing that has me skeptical, is that Alduin has tried this before, and was thwarted, as was shown on the wall of prophesy in the teaser trailer. Ka'po'tun has only recently achieved the form of a Dragon, Alduin is an ancient God of the Nordic cult, and whether or not their Lore it is accurate, the belief has been around for literally, Ages. The dragons are returning. I think we're just gonna have to wait for TES VI(+) for the Akavir Invasion :confused:

Alduin has been mentioned in lore predating that of Akivir and Tosh Raka, and is linked to many many many mythos and as different perspectives in every culture. Its very unlikely that Alduin would be Tosh, for the simple fact that we have so much more lore that points to the contrary. Besides, why would all of these cultures have so much in common, when Tosh Raka has never been to Tamriel to have influenced them? Its and interesting theory, but one that's not backed by any sufficient evidence.

edit: Check out http://www.imperial-library.info/content/seven-fights-aldudagga which tells about Alduin destroying the world, and coincides with the Dragon Wall and the coming of Alduin. Tosh Raka is rather a new addition when it comes to Alduin and the prophecy of him destroying the world.