the one thing i hate about HC is ammo carries weight i hated this ok i have held bullets before THEY DON'T WEIGH THAT MUCH! right now i have 400 12 gauge rounds and 1040 5.56 (big boomer and all american) This ammo weight combined comes to around 58LB that is just stupid HC is fine but the ammo weight svcks. why can't it be like OBLIVION where the arrows only weigh 1 ounce and arrows weigh more than [censored] bullets! :swear:

That's one of the things that make hc, well hc

thats what you signed up for soldier. NOW TIGHTEN YOUR CHINSTRAP AND MOVE ON!

Actually, I would say that ammo does weight a lot. I've carried crates of some 1000+ 7,62x53mm ammo and I remember to this day how much it weighted.


The heaviest ammo I've carried was 30x173.. Now that's some hell of ammo to carry.

i turned on hardcoe mode and now stimpacks don't fix limbs??!! WTF BETHESDA! patch please.

Why should they patch that? It is part of the hardcoe mode, and not a bug.

Edit: Or is that supposed to be some sort of sarcasm?

Stop complaining you pansies and go back to your casual play if you don't like it. hardcoe is meant to make things more realistic. Ammo DOES have weight in real life, injecting a needle into your face will not improve your vision and when you feel the need to walk across a desert you will soon feel a bit parched so if you feel hardcoe mode is too hardcoe for you then stop complaining and stop playing it.

I have to agree with one comment I heard about HC mode. It's essentially a Tamagachi mode. That aspect can get tedious.

Ammo weights, though? That's one of the reasons I turn HC on. That and it's affects on healing.

And now you know why its called hardcoe.....emphasis on the hard part..........THATS WHAT SHE SAID! :biggrin:

Each http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Cal12_N%C2%B08.jpg has over an ounce of metal shot, and the casing, wad, and cap... I don't have one to weigh, but lets say its 2 oz. per shell; 8 shells per pound; 32 shells per 4 pounds... 320 == 40 pounds? (this is a guess).

Also a big part of the series has always been trade-offs. You could either choose to haul extra rockets or extra 5.56 ammo, for instance. Both were heavy and as a result self limiting. It was good design IMO.

Before I turned on hardcoe, my girlfriend was light as a feather , now she weighs like 124 pounds !

Bethesda really needs to patch this !

I turned on hardcoe mode and now the game is harder! WHY BETHESDA WHY?!

Ammo weights are hardcoe's best feature, IMO. The eating/sleeping/drinking isn't often enough to be an issue, and new mechanics (doctor's bag for crippled limbs, stimpacks) are very worthy gameplay additions.

The heaviest ammo I carried was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MSPO2007-36-03.jpg. Not that [censored] is [censored] heavy.

Oh, and OP: I hate to break it to you, but everyone above is spot on. Ammo weighs a ton. I spent a good portion of my advlt life schlepping that stuff around. You can trust me on this. If you don't then you can trust this: I checked the ammo weights. I wanted to see just how anol Josh got when he added them to hardcoe. As usual, Josh did his pendantic best and all the ammo weights I checked were dead on. I'm holding in my hand right now a box of Winchester Super Target 12ga #9 shot, 2 3/4", 1oz of shot and 2 3/4 drams of powder each. The box has 25 shells in it and it weighs about 2.5 pounds I'd say. You do the math.

-Gunny out.

Actually I would love to see any of you pack around 500+ .308(7.62x51 nato) That round is Ridiculously heavy in actual life, its very good Generic round for anything, such as hunting larger game, and for taking down Human Targets in one hit, but man is it heavy.

Why are some people on the forums really bad at detecting sarcasm. I know it's text, but still.

OT: OP, it's a fairly reasonable (and popular) feature in hardcoe mode. Just don't pick up ammo *all* the time, use guns that share the same ammo type (Survivalist's Rifle, 12.7mm SMG, and 12.7mm pistol for instance). You don't need 1,000 rounds of 5.56 just for one Marksman Carbine. I limit it to around 300, and store the rest for when I'm low. You just need to learn to manage your inventory better, that's all.

Trust me, Packing 300- 500 rds, of 30-06 has weight. This I can assure you. The further you pack it, the more weight it has. This is still a fraction of the total packing weight.

I have been championing the use of coloring one's text in the color fucsia when being facetious for just such reasons. Get it? Fuscia text for facetious? FUSCious? Get it? No, seriously. If you ever see a post of mine in purple text, I'm making sure everyone knows I'm being facetious. While I don't normally condone sarcasm in general, expecially when directed to another poster, we could at least use scarlet to denote it, or is that too difficult for our little brains? (see? scarlet sarcasm? I was being sarcastic.)

Oh, and just to add to the topic some more, the basic load of the Marine rifleman back in my day was six mags of 5.56mm in the pouches, 30 rounds each and another full mag in the rifle. That's 210 rounds. Of course, we never loaded the mags with 30. I was in back when they had cheap ass mag follower springs and the damn things would break if you put the full 30 in. We only loaded them to 28.

-Gunny out.