After reading a posts on this forum I think most people here think the BOS are just a bunch of tech stealing people in armor.. I only played FO3 and NV so I don't know a lot about them. In FO3 they seemed like they were not stealing any technology, and actually helping the wasteland. They managed to destroy the Enclave, which was what made them my favorite faction. Why do people think they are bad?

You are not the only one who thinks they are cool, otherwise they would not have appeared in every single Fallout game to date.

Also, the Capital Wasteland Chapter is considered the "black sheep" of the BoS because they went against the main directive of the Codec. The rest of the BoS are in it for the tech grubbing.

The BoS used to be more benevolent. They were much more active in helping other people in FO1. They became more reclusive in FO2, deciding to stay out of other people's lives but still watching out for new threats. The canceled Fallout 3 game Van Buren introduced the idea of the BoS becoming more fanatical and paranoid about technology. It's mentioned in the Van Buren design document that it was Jeremey Maxon, leader of the BoS and descendant of the BoS's founder, who decided to start aggressively hoarding technology and fought the war with NCR. Unfortunately, he hasn't appeared in any of the games so the BoS's change in attitude doesn't make much sense based only on what happens in the games.

Fallout 1: Sorry we sent you to a suicide mission. Here, take these three troopers who will stay above ground standing idle while you go to the actual bunker to fight enemy.
Fallout 2: Sorry we can't help you further, but I'll take those Vertibird plans thank you.
Fallout 3: Sorry, no civilians allow- wait, you have a means of getting the Wasteland under our heel? Welcome aboard!

I really, really don't like the Brotherhood. They take all the good stuff from others in their claimed effort of restoring humanity... But hell, what have they EVER achieved? Lyons was the first Brotherhood elder that achieved something without getting everyone killed, and for that he pretty much abandon the Codex and thus be Brotherhood in name only.

You should see them in Tactics. :fallout:

Lyons' chapter is not real BOS. Bethesda turned them into generic good guys and a lot of players who only picked up the franchise with FO3 think the whole faction is like that.

I like the BoS in Fallout 3 - they play a humanitarian role. Early in the game they make a lot of snide comments and 98 percent of the time I tolerate it and didn't retaliate - but then there was the 2 percent. Later on the BoS treat you with respect.

On the other hand, I ended up wasting most BoS Outcasts, especially after Operation: Anchorage. The Outcasts act like they're the only game in town. Pi** on 'em - kill'em, take their armor and sell it. Most of their weapons are worn out junk anyway but if you repair enough it's worth the weight.


BoS in FO:NV are a small group and they're OK. Not much help but I like their T-51b power armor.

You're not the only one who likes them OP. Hell, I love the Brotherhood, check the sig. They have a noble goal trying to help protect people from themselves. They don't always hold true to that, sometimes they stray off the path. I don't really like what Obsidian did with them in New Vegas, why did they feel the need to screw the BoS over and incorporate Van Buren crap into it?

Well... In Fallout 1 they were a xenophobic cult holed up in the 'Lost Hills' bunker, where they hoarded whatever technology they had found or stolen. Their initiate sends your PC on a suicide mission to a radioactive hell-hole, to fetch proof that they went inside... A bit like a Clique in school sending a kid off to break into the principle's office to retrieve... something that proves they were there, before letting them in to their 'gang'. (In both cases its just to get rid of them.)

In Fallout 2 they were like an afterthought, stuffed in as a link to the series, but they only show up as one guy in spandex that wants you to steal blueprints, or later as a non-canon easter egg encounter with King Aurthur and his Knights.

See whatever Pistolero said. Brotherhood are nothing other than high-tech raiders and people who take others acheivements.



They aren't the Brotherhood of Steel, i.e., they are not recognised by the Lost Hills Council are members of the Brotherhood of Steel, ergo there actions do not count towards or against the Brotherhood of Steel.



What game did you play? I saw how they sent a 19 year old to do all of their fighting and hid behind a giant invincible mech. Let me put it this way.

Less than half-a-dozen, 60 year old Enclave soldiers - only two of whom were in PA and 3 of whom trained as soldiers - killed HUNDREDS of Caesar's Legion. That is what the Enclave are supposed to be like, totally [censored] unstopable.

I'm going to disagree with this bit, I don't believe the BoS are high-tech raiders. :no:

Really? They demanded technology from the NCR before attacking them for it - and I mean the whole BoS war not Helios. They essentially mug people on the Vegas highways for technology the endings where they aren't killed.

Is it because I said raiders? Okay then "Prospectors". The Brotherhood are just high-tech "Prospectors" who don't take part in wider mainland politics but just keep to themselves and store gear which they have found or taken.

Just about every organization in Fallout are like that. The Enclave, the NCR, Mr. House, etc., all pretend to have lofty goals but they're hypocrites. At least the Legion is honest about their intentions.



Obsidian and Black Isle made the Brotherhood of Steel interesting and nuanced. Straying far from their original purpose, especially after so many years, makes sense. There are plenty of laws and organizations around the world that are being used for reasons very different from their original intended purpose. For example, in Supreme Court hearings involving the 14th Amendment, it has been used to defend the rights of corporations about 9 times more often than it has been used to defend the rights of black people. The ATF is supposed to protect us from illegal trafficking of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms but look at how often they've [censored] up. Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, and the Taliban used to be our allies.

Yeah no. The BoS chapter in Fallout 3 wasn't just decided to be solidly good guys. They were a typical chapter when they first arrived in D.C. 20 years before the Lone Wanderer's birth. But over time Lyons realized their tech could help save alot of lives, so he interpreted the Codex's 'protection of humanity' as a more knightly idea. It's the reason why the the Outcasts are around, they are hard liner BoS who disagree with what they deem as 'soft'. They were written no differently than in Tactics or New Vegas. They were designed to show not each chapter is full of robots who follow the original orders. I'm sick of all this Fallout 3 bashing around here.