Children in Skyrim (Restricted Discussion) : V - Skyrim

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:27 am

A quest to help a kid with a bully.

That reminds me of the beginning of Fable 1

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:12 pm

I was more getting at "your actions will have more consequence".

That's confirmed stuff, like about the family units? I honestly did not know that. And I agree completely on the "no consequences" of the previous games. You kill a guy, and his wife goes on every day as if nothing has happened at all, and nobody seems to care that he's gone. If children really do react to the death of a parent, that would be really interesting. I'm definitely going to be looking more into this, especially from a modding perspective (have at least a couple quest ideas!).

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:13 pm

When I think of kids in Skyrim, it reminds me of Fable. I would love to see kids run up to you (if you're popular/famous enough) and ask for your autograph. Or ask you to find their missing toys/deal with bullies/all the other ideas I've seen.

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:47 am

The only thing I'd want to do with a child is corrupt his/her mind and make him/her my evil apprentice. And since they can't die they would be an immortal companion!

Edit: Also the killing their parents thing and adopting them is a neat idea. I mean if you killed them as an assassin, and then took the kid and trained him to be an assassin in the dark brotherhood or something. Or you can find him a family, whatever your taste is.

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:25 pm

Anyway, I wonder how the aging system for your kids will work or even if there will be one. I know I would like to see one and watch as they grow from babies to advlts.

Then everybody in Skyrim should be able to get old, or our children would appear in some kind of alternate dimension lol.

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:17 am

I was more getting at "your actions will have more consequence".

In Oblivion, innocent NPC has good loot so you kill him and that's the end of it. No one reacts to his death, there are no pieces to pick up, the world goes on. If, as we're told is the case in Skyrim, NPCs are now integrated into cohesive family units, then the murder of said NPC would bear some weight and effect in the game world. The family would react, they may mourn, their house may have an empty seat. The abstraction of "it's just a game character" is mixed with emotion. I will see the consequences, I will see the trauma. For me, it would make me feel more guilty than if the NPC just died, leaving no evidence and no witness. More emotion is what I'm saying, seeing something or someone in pain. The townsfolk remarking on what I've done with disdain.

For example, if I slayed a bandit... and then his friend dropped to his knees in shock, dispair. Rather than his friend paying no heed, like the artifical intelligence he is.

But I digress entirely from the subject of children.

I really doubt such a thing will be in game, I'm certain it would effect the games rating.

Killing with no significant emotional consequence isn't relealistic or relatable and therefore is generally ok in games and films.

So while there may be some shallow anger, I doubt there will be traumatised kids running about the place.

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:10 am

I'd love to see kids sparing with sticks, or pretending to cast spells with them as well, or pretending to be a dragon.

I want to see this!

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:51 am

Does anyone know if we can pickpocket children?

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:00 am

I bet there will be quests that ask you to help a child or their friend from being attacked by bee's near a nest. The reward would be the discovery of a new synthesis item along with their honey, possibly for foods.. and friendlier NPC's

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:04 am

Really, though, I just hope to see some kind of quest where there is a child involved, and you can somewhat guide them to become good or evil in a sense. Or at least something tragic, where you can avenge his parents or something.

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:39 am

Does anyone know if we can pickpocket children?

You big meanie head!

Really, though, I just hope to see some kind of quest where there is a child involved, and you can somewhat guide them to become good or evil in a sense.

Hmm, mod idea!

With children finally back in the TES games, and all the mod ideas people have had for children that they couldn't do all these years, I'm willing to bet there will be some really awesome mods made involving them. I just hope Brash is still around. She'd love this!

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:50 am

I would love to see kids run up to you (if you're popular/famous enough) and ask for your autograph. Or ask you to find their missing toys/deal with bullies/all the other ideas I've seen.

Autographs? You serious? I'd like you to reconsider it's Skyrim we're talking about, not modern days. Stepping into that über anchient rugged land is like going back to the Middle Age.

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:45 am

A game with both crafting and children. Can you say "sweat shop?"

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:31 pm

A game with both crafting and children. Can you say "sweat shop?"

Only if you are role-playing as Martha Stewart.

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:26 am

A game with both crafting and children. Can you say "sweat shop?"

Because children doing any work automatically means there's shenanigans and illegal actions involved.

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:14 am

it may have already been asked, but when you're married is there a chance you may have a child?

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:03 pm

You big meanie head!

why not? in NV a kid was holding the primer for an orbital laser

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:12 am

A quest to help a kid with a bully.

Didn't this happen in Fable?

Edit: Oops. I didn't notice someone else mentioned that already.

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:47 am

thats different. If they steal your stuff you will never get it back. You wouldn't have a choice in that matter. At least you have a choice not to commit a crime in front of them

Yeah, especially if they do the typical RPG thing where once the item is stolen it disappears. Obviously being set essential won't allow you to kill them (which I wouldn't do anyway). I assume you mean like a thief in some game steals some coins or items from you, and then once you kill them, the items and gold are mysteriously gone even though they haven't gone anywhere they could've stashed the stuff.

As to crimes, if you ended up getting caught, it would be b.s. if there wasn't any way to convince them to not report it, especially since players would have no recourse. Same with pilfering. Especially if they make kids follow the PC around, which would be sorta funny though.

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:15 pm

Autographs? You serious? I'd like you to reconsider it's Skyrim we're talking about, not modern days. Stepping into that über anchient rugged land is like going back to the Middle Age.

I was merely comparing the games. They could just as easily stare at you in awe. /shrug

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:35 am

Can we cook food for orphans or have snobby rich kids pay us for omelets?

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:03 am

I hope children are sparse in Skyrim. I liked the rarity of children in FO, since I decided to play as an immoral character most of the time. The presence of children breaks the immersion for immoral characters due to their "unnatural protection." Soooo... here's hoping children are few and far between at least, much like little lamp light.

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:32 am

Any other aspect of children in the game is fair for discussion. We can talk about their appearance, what types of quests they may be a part of. We may discuss them adding a new feel to the game or discuss what the children might be doing in the game such as playing, running, laughing, adding a feel of innocence that has not been a part of other TES games. We can discuss if they might be asked about rumors or give us tips on what is going on in the town they live in. Anything about children can be discussed except harming them.

so what kind of repercussions would the player face if they were to even try an attempt of harming a child in Skyrim?

maybe we could get a cutscene of some guy blocking what ever it was that was going to harm a child and then during this cutscene you find out its soem one with a drgons soul as well and then befoe your character has a chance to do anything this other dragon born would soul trap and kill you in one quick motion forcing a reload ?? (copy and pasted from my locked thread)

» Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:24 am

so what kind of repercussions would the player face if they were to even try an attempt of harming a child in Skyrim?

From a http://www.g4tv.com/games/xbox-360/64714/the-elder-scrolls-5-skyrim/articles/75415/the-elder-scrolls-5-skyrim-pax-2011-preview-how-best-to-dispose-of-dead-townspeople:
"I then saw a little boy in the town and took my axe to him as well. The dev told me that you aren't allowed to kill children in Skyrim, but that they would alert the townspeople that I'm a maniac, which is exactly what he did. I ran around the town killing dogs and cows before the townspeople finally came after me with pitchforks and axes of their own."

Now you can stop wondering and leave this banned subject alone

Such a tasteless preview if you ask me, maniac! :cold: