Bloodmoon and Tribunal

Post » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:11 pm

I don't know if a topic like this has been posted before but I can't find one if there is. But I have been playing a lot of Fallout recently and the DLC for Fallout put one thing in my mind. How small it is compared to the Morrowind expansions. Sure its only 9.99 as opposed to 14.99 or 19.99 (I forget what the exact release price was) but still for a few dollars more they had so much more things to do. Bloodmoon had endless opportunities for things to do and added many new quests (the main quest was awesome and on top of that they added a new faction and all kinds of random side quests throughout the island). Tribunal not as big (land wise) still had great quests and lots of new things to do and added some new features. Now when I compare them to Fallout DLC, it just makes Fallout DLC seem like a total ripoff, 9.99 for a new quest that last just a couple hours then you can never go back again.
This is one reason Morrowind was awesome the expansions alone were games unto themselves. Anyone else share my opinions on this?
(or feel free to disagree if you disliked the Morrowind expansions)
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Post » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:40 pm

I don't play Fallout (and never plan to), but it's usually unfair to compare DLCs to expansions. It's unfair to compare Oblivion's DLC, for instance, to Tribunal or Bloodmoon. Rather, you'd want to compare Shivering Isles to Tribunal or Bloodmoon. Along the same lines, it would be unfair to compare Morrowind's "official" mods to Shivering Isles.

The best comparison would be between New Vegas and either Tribunal or Bloodmoon.
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Post » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:11 pm

I don't play Fallout (and never plan to), but it's usually unfair to compare DLCs to expansions. It's unfair to compare Oblivion's DLC, for instance, to Tribunal or Bloodmoon. Rather, you'd want to compare Shivering Isles to Tribunal or Bloodmoon. Along the same lines, it would be unfair to compare Morrowind's "official" mods to Shivering Isles.

The best comparison would be between New Vegas and either Tribunal or Bloodmoon.

Yea but New Vegas cost 50 bucks. Bloodmoon was only 15.
Also, Morrowind official DLC was free. And the free DLC was really good and added some neat stuff. As oppose to oblivion charging 5 bucks for horse armor. I'm not saying Oblivion is bad (I like it but prefer Morrowind) but I am comparing the general products. Think about 10 bucks for Fallout DLC for 1 new quest that lasts about 2 hours. Morrowind expansions (and even their free DLC) was open ended and you could go to it as you wished.
Now I'm not bashing them I know they have to make money. But with the MW expansions you get much more for your money.
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Post » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:54 am

Its not all about cost, New Vegas was a major video game release, and all the bells and whistles that go with it. Bloodmoon/Tribunal were a tried and true straight forward expansion to Morrowind.
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Post » Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:45 pm

For now you have been talking about something else than what clearly was the original idea. Not price; I payed something like 10€ for my GOTY release and got the same things as everybody who were there to buy each version separately. (I would've been as well but wasn't playing Morrowind once Tribunal and BM came out. Only after I saw the GOTY package somewhere my flame for the game rekindled and I bought it). People have payed different prices for this experience; it's not what counts here.

What really matters is what you get. All the games get cheaper due time, and some sources (like major internet stores today) will sell the new products cheaply as well. As expansions per se, though, both have been marvelous. They even have a high replay value even without mods and such. They have A LOT to do; quests; quests again, this time with the other approach; things to find; things to think about (for example relationships of some new factions; political situations, backgrounds to them - if you're interested in this kind of stuff, and lore); books; general looking around and exploration. With expansions like these the question is not how much you pay for them, or even how much you get with certain amount of money. It's about what you can even think of doing; the opportunities are so limitless even with these single expansions! If you're interested enough and have much imagination, TR and BM could compensate as well $100 as it did your, what, $9,99? I don't know many games, let alone expansions, that can do it. Basically with TES, the game is as good as the player, should I say...

As unlikely as it may be, at the moment the Vvardenfell vs. Soltsheim vote is

139 votes [72.02%] Vvardenfell - Solstheim 54 votes [27.98%]

so 2/7 people liking an expansion's world more than the actual game's... speaks VERY highly of BM in my book (which there isn't).
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Post » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:56 am

For now you have been talking about something else than what clearly was the original idea. Not price; I payed something like 10€ for my GOTY release and got the same things as everybody who were there to buy each version separately. (I would've been as well but wasn't playing Morrowind once Tribunal and BM came out. Only after I saw the GOTY package somewhere my flame for the game rekindled and I bought it). People have payed different prices for this experience; it's not what counts here.

What really matters is what you get. All the games get cheaper due time, and some sources (like major internet stores today) will sell the new products cheaply as well. As expansions per se, though, both have been marvelous. They even have a high replay value even without mods and such. They have A LOT to do; quests; quests again, this time with the other approach; things to find; things to think about (for example relationships of some new factions; political situations, backgrounds to them - if you're interested in this kind of stuff, and lore); books; general looking around and exploration. With expansions like these the question is not how much you pay for them, or even how much you get with certain amount of money. It's about what you can even think of doing; the opportunities are so limitless even with these single expansions! If you're interested enough and have much imagination, TR and BM could compensate as well $100 as it did your, what, $9,99? I don't know many games, let alone expansions, that can do it. Basically with TES, the game is as good as the player, should I say...

As unlikely as it may be, at the moment the Vvardenfell vs. Soltsheim vote is

139 votes [72.02%] Vvardenfell - Solstheim 54 votes [27.98%]

so 2/7 people liking an expansion's world more than the actual game's... speaks VERY highly of BM in my book (which there isn't).

I agree with you. I was just pointing out that Expansions give you a lot more for your money than DLC.
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Post » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:41 pm

I agree, the Fallout DLCs are much shorter, the only one that even vaguely comes close is Point Lookout. I'm like you, I'd rather have one big expansion, than all these little piddly ones. I hope any DLCs or expansions for Skyrim follow the TES model, and not Fallout. I want expansions I can sink my teeth into, not DLCs I can finish in one sitting.
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