President

Post » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:37 am

So we all know that richardson was the president in fallout 2. Well at least he was the president of the enclave. Do we have any idea who the president was before the Great War. An even more general question wold be was the president before the War, Enclave?
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Post » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:20 am

So we all know that richardson was the president in fallout 2. Well at least he was the president of the enclave. Do we have any idea who the president was before the Great War. An even more general question wold be was the president before the War, Enclave?

The Enclave evolved from a shadow government / "Conspiracy" style movement in the upper echelons of the US government/ US Society...


From The Vault - A fallout Wiki:

One of the few old world organizations to survive the Great War, the Enclave was once the shadow government of the United States. Members of the Enclave both embraced the idea of a nuclear war and knew that the common man could not survive it. They believed that as long as the "important people" of the United States survived, they could regroup quickly and wipe out communism once and for all. Though not technically part of the Enclave, many powerful corporations benefited from the Enclave's actions and their research facilities were protected during the "firestorm" of 2077.
In 2073, as the global race to exploit the handful of remaining natural resources reached its fevered peak, the United States managed to stake a claim on the world's last known supply of crude oil, buried thousands of feet beneath the Pacific Ocean.
Poseidon Oil, a major U.S. energy concern, was contracted to build an oil rig and extract the oil. Before long, the oil ran dry and it was abandoned by Poseidon.
Come 2077, with total nuclear war rapidly arriving at America's doorstep, the President of the United States and a number of other United States government officials left their posts to take refuge in a number of secret locations around the world. Among them was the Poseidon oil rig. Here, the President himself set up a secret base from which the USA could continue to exist and wage war on China, with the eventual goal of retaking the continental United States.


You can think of the Pre-war Enclave as anologous to the illuminati is supposed to be - a secret organisation that didn't exactly advertise but pushed its own agenda by placing its people, and those that could be controlled by its people, in those positions it needed to further its agenda.
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Post » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:19 pm

The Illuminati as it is belived to be, or as it actually was?

Because the Illuminati was a buch of early scientists and philosophers who banded together 'cuz the chruch would burn them for pursuing "heretical" paths.

The more you know! :D
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Post » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:50 am

The Illuminati as it is belived to be, or as it actually was?

Because the Illuminati was a buch of early scientists and philosophers who banded together 'cuz the chruch would burn them for pursuing "heretical" paths.

The more you know! :D

I meant as its believed to be...
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Post » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:05 am

Heh, just had to clarify that. You don't know, maybe the guy you're telling is a history nut whose never heard of the pop culture version of the Illuminati.
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Post » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:59 am

I have a topic for discussion that is still related to the topic 'President'.

Is President Eden IS the REAL president for the current Enclave? Or he is only the President on the East coast?
I got this question when i found the log from one of the terminal in Grayditch, could be a record from an ex-enclave officer, saying that he noticed something about this enclave broadcasting and finds that the President Eden aint the president that he knew.
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Post » Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:25 am

Eden isn't a president in our classical sense, because he wasn't voted into office (unlike, presumably, President Richardson.) He is the president of the entire Enclave, however. After the destruction of the Oil Rig, the Enclave was moved to the east coast to Raven Rock under his orders.

Unlike the BoS is there is no "East Cost" or "West Coast" Enclave; it's the same organization no matter where you go.
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Post » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:57 pm

Eden isn't a president in our classical sense, because he wasn't voted into office (unlike, presumably, President Richardson.)


American Presidents don't actually have to be voted in - There is a succession plan beginning with the VP, though the heads of congress, and into the cabinet (although most of this is academic... I'm not into American History, but I don't think its gone past the VP before).
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Post » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:27 am

American Presidents don't actually have to be voted in - There is a succession plan beginning with the VP, though the heads of congress, and into the cabinet (although most of this is academic... I'm not into American History, but I don't think its gone past the VP before).


True, it's never gone past VP. However, we need to know that the presidentail succession plan is a contengency plan, IF the presedent dies or abdicates, THEN the VP is acting President. IF the VP dies or abdicates, THEN one of the cabinent members is acting President, and so on and so forth. It would be near-impossible for the US to actually be leaderless, except for an extremely well-planned assassination team that independently tracks everybody in the succession line and kills them within the hour...

But as for Eden... well, quite frankly, he's a supercomputer inside of Raven Rock, which wasn't inhabited by the Enclave at that time. Rase your hand if you think the Enclave actually held a vote and elected Eden into office... Furthermroe, raise your hand if you think he was actually part of the contegency plan...

In all likelyhood, Eden used the Oil Rig disaster to make his move to power, and has been acting as president and issuing orders ever since. Since the remainder of the Enclave probably didn't know what was going on, they went into the default "follow the chain of command" mode; after all, if some guy has access to high-level comminications frequency, approrpiate proof of authority and whatnot in a post-apocalyptic world, he's probably who he says he is.
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Post » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:52 am

So does that mean Eden is never meant to be president but he used trickery to become one? And that he is something like an overgrown A.I like Skynet from Terminator series?
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Post » Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:04 am

Skynet is still wandering around California I think. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Skynet :P

Anyway, there not really any evidence to support that I think. IIRC didn't he say there was no one in the facility until he signaled the remenets to regroup there?
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Post » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:56 am

So does that mean Eden is never meant to be president but he used trickery to become one? And that he is something like an overgrown A.I like Skynet from Terminator series?


Well he definitely wasn't voted into office.
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Post » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:23 pm

Skynet is still wandering around California I think. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Skynet :P

Anyway, there not really any evidence to support that I think. IIRC didn't he say there was no one in the facility until he signaled the remenets to regroup there?


What ishinomorileon is trying to say is that Eden=Sentient AI program (which he clearly is) and developed so far from it's orgional design, that it is capable of controlling most anything that is remotely operated and connected to the internet... just like Skynet from the Terminator series (not Skynet from the FO series.)

Eden does mention that he did develop sentience during the 200 years after the war. Everything I mentioned about him can be peiced together if you go through as many lines of Dialouge with with him when you talk to him (which is always a good idea in a RPG.)

As for him going into office; he didn't iniate the destruction of the Oil Rig; it was the Chosen One. What he did do was fill the power vacuum that was caused by it.
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Post » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:39 am

So no one was there to fill in as a president since the Oil Rig incident, so he took over? Now i understand why Autumn wants to keep the self-destruct code of Eden...
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