God(s) across the world

Post » Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:45 pm

So I'm going to lay this down upon you guys as it settled upon me. While browsing USEP a week ago, doing some research into Cyrodiilic organizations, I came across this on UESP wiki:

The Knights of Iron are in charge of the military excursions of the Resolution of Zenithar. Zenithar is not merely the God of Merchants and Commerce, he is also a warrior god. They represent that side of him.

The Knights of Iron? The Resolution of Zenithar? Also a warrior god?

Now, we all know that Zenithar is closely tied to both Zeht (God of Farms) and Z'en (God of Toil and Payment-in-Kind). But what about the other gods?

Well, as the God of the Trials Against Adversity, Tsun of the Nordic pantheon stands out as a candidate. Not only does his name resemble Z'en and Zenithar's when pronounced, his seems closely themed to Z'en's sphere, not to mention the overtures of stalwart-ness given off by the Resolution of Zenithar and his Knights of Iron.

This brings me to MK's direct comparison of Tsun's equivalency of Trinimac (Strong God) to Tsun and a whole lot of parallels that I hadn't seen before. Notably the Malacath parallel, his people, and the inclusion of a last deity who finally finds a place as a deity to transcend representation beyond pantheons.

First off, the Trinimac/Malacath parallel immediately began to solidify their connection with the aforementioned gods. The Orcs embody their deity, and what do we know of the Orcs? Let me line up a few words for you to remember when considering the other deities. Endurance. Strength. Outcasts. Orsinium. Berserkers. Can you draw the connections? Here are some thoughts:

Zeht--God of "Nobody Cares" before the world was created. An outcast, no? Rejected his father. Did not Malacath do the same?
T'sun--Cited as a Berserker in "Shor, son of Shor". He dies defending Shor against foreign gods (Another tie with Baan Dar)
Zenithar--The "god that will always win" ultimately wins because his iron resolution. He perseveres. He endures. His association with iron also reminds me of the Iron City of Orsinium. (As a minor note, he also created the Mace of the Crusader)
Z'en--Like Zenithar, Z'en rewards those who work hard. Those who persevere until a job is done.

Now Baan Dar's connection with all of this was sparked by Malacath/Trinimac's inclusion as both deities have the association with the pariah, but there are other connections I have drawn. Like I mentioned above, Both Trinimac and Tsun are notable as defenders against foreign gods, and Baan Dar is no exception. Baan Dar is also known as the "Bandit God", and while this may seem like nothing at first, we have to remember that the Gods of Tamriel and their spheres are reflections of the cultures that worship them. Zenithar is a trade-god. Z'en and Zeht are agricultural deities. Knowing what we know of the Khajiit, wouldn't a bandit god be more appropriate than one of farms or trade? The bandit is the desert equivalent of the farmer or trader: he takes what the trader and farmer make for his people.

So, to sum it up, I say we can draw the following:
Trinimac=Malacath=Tsun=Zenithar=Z'en=Zeht=Baan Daar

And a final note: Vengeance is a resolution, is it not?

Thoughts?
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Post » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:10 pm

I always found it funny how Stuhn, Nordic god of taking war prisoners, is to the Cyrodiils Stendarr - god of mercy.
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Post » Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:00 am

I always found it funny how Stuhn, Nordic god of taking war prisoners, is to the Cyrodiils Stendarr - god of mercy.


It does make sense, when you take into account that, for the Nords, taking prisoners very much amounts to having mercy on them. Cyrodiil is such a softened culture that Stendarr has become a much more ideal form of mercy.
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Post » Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:28 pm

You might be onto something there, but I'm not 100% convinced that Malacath is Zenithar. They might have a connection, though...

* Look at Sheogorath. He and Jyggalag have some pretty obvious parallels to Shor and Alduin, but they aren't necessarily the same entity.
* If there is connection between Zenithar and Malacath, why do the Nords (among others) revere them as Tsun and Mauloch? Why not have them as the same god?
* The Seven Fights of The Aldudagga suggests that there might be a connection between Magnus (The Leaper Demon King) and Mehrunes Dagon. Hmm...

UNLESS... what if the Daedra aren't just the gods that didn't help to make the universe (or what if that connection is completely wrong?), but what if they're more like shadows of the Aedra- you can't have one without the other. The Daedra didn't not make the universe because they didn't want to, but because they had to.

Maybe every Padomaic god has an Anuic counterpart?
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Post » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:59 am

I call BS on that statement, unless he's using the merrish definition of deadra and claims that Shor is NOT their ancestor. Even then, I find Mankar's statement to be utter pewp.
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Post » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:00 pm

So...whats up with Ebonheart then?
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Post » Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:28 pm

who?
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