Alteration V.S Conjuration

Post » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:12 pm

Any wolf stuff is definitely conjuration. There's likely shield spells in both schools but they'd work differently. Weapons are 100% conjuration though.
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Post » Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:09 am

Some 'conjured' weapons in the leaked scans from magazines show a kind of spectral bow. It doesn't look at all Daedric, so I'm thinking either A - these spectral weapons have replaced Daedric as bound weapons or B - there are more than one type of summonable weaponry (this would tie in with the OP).
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Post » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:55 am

Any wolf stuff is definitely conjuration. There's likely shield spells in both schools but they'd work differently. Weapons are 100% conjuration though.


I can understand the wolf being conjuration, because you're likely dealing with a soul and that's conjuration's thing. But why weapons? The blue wispy things look nothing like something that was summoned. The reason bound weapons were always daedric was because conjuration delt with calling things from Oblivion. But these blue ghostly weapons look more like they were made on the spot dont' they?

Can't alteration have at least one way to kill people?
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Post » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:18 am

yeah and i heard in other posts there was and alteration spell for astral wolves and a astral shield spell you could cast in either hand so lefties can use a shield in there right hand.


Care to provide a link to these "other" posts?

I don't know about anyone else but I have never heard of a shield spell for your right hand, when its been confirmed you can only use a shield in your left hand.
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Post » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:57 am

Care to provide a link to these "other" posts?

I don't know about anyone else but I have never heard of a shield spell for your right hand, when its been confirmed you can only use a shield in your left hand.

Physical shield and magical shield are completely different. Can't link to unofficial media.
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Post » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:16 am

I can understand the wolf being conjuration, because you're likely dealing with a soul and that's conjuration's thing. But why weapons? The blue wispy things look nothing like something that was summoned. The reason bound weapons were always daedric was because conjuration delt with calling things from Oblivion. But these blue ghostly weapons look more like they were made on the spot dont' they?

Can't alteration have at least one way to kill people?


Cast water walking on them as they are falling off a cliff?

Plenty of skills provide no method of killing stuff (Speechcraft, anyone?). That's why you use more than one.

Magically making a weapon appear for you to use would be redundant in more than one tree. Even shield spells in both would be redundant if they were too similar in how they work.
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Post » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:22 am

These speculations are getting out of hand. What makes you think Alteration summons weapons? Yes, the appearance has changed to the "astral" blue type stuff, but that doesn't mean it's not Conjuration.
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Post » Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:02 pm

Can't alteration have at least one way to kill people?


Well at least now we can paralyze with alteration spells and that's a good start :hubbahubba: .
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Post » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:00 am

If its how i think it is and not how he is describing it i would get it. Like bound weapons would be in conjour because you are conjuring a weapon. Astral weapons may just be a way to add a magical affect to a regular weapon, thus altering (alteration) the weapon to do additional damage or just allow you to hit Ghosts and such which a normal weapon would be unable to affect. though i cant explain away the astral wolves and why they wouldnt be in conjuration.


yeah i agree with you. and the astral wolves would be in alteration because they are not psychical and are made of pure energy there for you alter energy to form them.
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Post » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:47 am

In all likelyhood, the blue weapons we've seen will go to conjuration and the shield spell will go to alteration. That said, those blue weapons we've seen look more alteration than conjuration to me. I'd like it if conjuration summoned daedric weapons and armor, while alteration could do the same thing only with blue whispy versions. If we can make a shield out of nothing, why can't we make a sword?

But like I said, it's unlikely.


i Completely agree with you 100% man!!
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Post » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:13 am

Care to provide a link to these "other" posts?

I don't know about anyone else but I have never heard of a shield spell for your right hand, when its been confirmed you can only use a shield in your left hand.


yeah but it is a spell witch can go in both hands and that is confirmed
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Post » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:56 am

You can't judge the school of the spell based simply on the color scheme and magic effect lol. The bound weapons simply look Ethereal this time folks, simple as that! This is literally half of what the school of Conjuration school entails, with Bethesda eliminating an entire school due to radiancy I couldn't imaging they would go this route.
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Post » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:36 pm

Cast water walking on them as they are falling off a cliff?

Plenty of skills provide no method of killing stuff (Speechcraft, anyone?). That's why you use more than one.

Magically making a weapon appear for you to use would be redundant in more than one tree. Even shield spells in both would be redundant if they were too similar in how they work.


But if set up properly, speechraft can be used to finish quests through talking instead of killing. Everything and anything could be used in combat. Different ends may be reached through the different means, but at the end of the day each skill has a way to get the job done...except alteration.

All the combat skills can kill. Destruction kills. Restoration can fortify skills to allow you to be better at killing, or talking if need be. Conjuration kills. Illusion can allow you to bypass killing or allow your enemies to kill each other off. Crafting can make armor and weapons, and then make them better at what they do for fighting. Enchanting makes things even better at killing through magic, or allows you to talk better. Alchemy allows you to make poisons. Pickpocketing can let you kill through poison. Sneak allows you to kill quietly. Speechcraft can let you talk your way out of situations but still finish quests. And the two armor skills allow you to protect yourself better/move faster.

The only thing in the same boat as alteration is lockpicking, and I'd also like to see that skill involve making traps.

There's nothing redundant in being able to summon two different kinds of swords. There are multiple types of real swords. Katana's, longswords, and so on. Magic could very well be the same.
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