New Vegas is going to be alot different. It's going to have NCR and hopefully the true BoS. The super mutants in the Game are going to be the West Coast Super Mutants ones created by the master of fallout one. Not the Dumb crazy DC Super mutants with no six that just become bigger and dumber as they age.

I do think fallout New Vegas will be the true fallout 3. It's going to have NCR, Real BoS, Ceasers legion, Powder Gangs and locations that were going to be in Van Buren. Some of the details may have changed because it's been 10 years and owned by another company. The Devs working on New Vegas worked on fallout one and two. I have said many times on here (Kinda as a joke) "New Vegas is code for Van Buren ".

Fallout 3 is a great game but to me it had nothing to do with the first to fallouts not really a sequel to fallout two. To me it's like fallout tactics and New Vegas a Side game but still canon.

But the game does say fallout three on it so it is the 3rd game. Can't really change 4 million copies of the game to make old fallout vans happy. Still to me New Vegas is going to be the true sequel. I may change my mind if some how the game is crap but I don't think that is going to happen. It's going to be alot like the first two but made with, 3D and graphics and so on.

Van Buren Van Buren Van Buren...The Game that never actually happened.

yes I know that it's not canon but look at Van Buren and take look at New Vegas. There is more in New Vegas then just NCR. There will be the powder gangs, Ceacers legion and locations and Master Super mutants! . We still don't know everything yet. Remember the people working on New Vegas were working on Van Buren aka Fallout 3 as well. Why start all over again when you can just update Van Buren? I have a feeling that is what they are doing.

The brotherhood won't be a war with NCR but like I just said there is a great chance they are updating. They have had 10 years to think of changes and now is there chance to make it happen.

Luca Blight, mid-villain of Suikoden 2, had a saying...
"A Sword doesn't require a fancy lineage, it just needs to be sharp."
The same can be said about a video game...It doesn't need a great legacy and history, it just needs to be fun.
Then again, the Van Buren hype was before I became interested in Fallout. Perhaps I'm just indifferent towards it.

Cool ignorance bro. By being set closer to the originals, you'll be seeing factions like the NCR and the original BOS that F3 didn't have. NV will also be incorporating many ideas of Van Buren, the original Fallout 3 that was canceled. This was more of a direct sequel to the originals as it wasn't set on the other side of the country and it had the same gameplay style.

The reason things from Van Buren are getting into NV is because the same people that made the original Fallouts are making New Vegas. So in many ways you can expect New Vegas to be more like the original games.

As for your fallacious "hotdog" anology, yes, it would have more to do with the first two games IF you were handing out post apocalyptic hot dogs made out of dog meat to wastelanders, the BOS, and the NCR in the nuki-scarred barren badlands of Washington.

Look at the design docs on fallout.wikia it looked pretty damn interesting

True a game does not need a great legacy and history it just needs to be fun but heres the thing Fallout has a great history and Legacy!. Beth Does not need to throughout everything and just start over. They are letting Obsidian make this one. Beth owns Van buren. If Obsidian said we want to re-write Van buren and make it into New Vegas, I can't see Beth getting upset by that.

New Vegas will have what fallout 3 does not. History and Legacy behind it .

Fallout one and two as well as tactics are old yes but people that love fallout 3 but have not played the others should play them. To understand it's history and Legacy and find out why there are so many Old Fallout Fans around after so many years. It will give you a greater appreciation for fallout, more then you can get from reading Wiki and forums to understand what the other games were like.

Hm. I think I can agree with that. Can't believe I'm actually saying that...
You win that one. However, as my opinion of the lore and what have you...They could call it Fallout 3: Electric Boogaloo for what it's worth, as long as it's fun.

I don't appreciate your demeaning language. I'm trying to give me opinion in a civil way. In fact, since you were so quick to jump on me; why not read the ENTIRE THREAD TO SEE WHERE THE ARGUMENT IS, before jumping in and putting down other members. People have brought up rebuttals and I see where they're coming from. No need to open old wounds.

Sorry if it ahs already been said (I didn't read the whole thread) but who cares about GFX! I think some people that call them selves gamers spend way to much time nitpicking about GFX, if its a good game play it, if not don't. Eitherway GFX are just for looks.

Not much you can when you are running on a rather meh engine.

I'm sorry if you can't handle the heart. Actually, I'm not sorry. You know what they say about that subject.
I started writing my response before all the other rebuttals, and was playing Fallout at the time. I came back to it later and finished it.

For future reference, try not to use logical fallacies when attempting to launch a "civil" argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
Read up there so you don't make further mistakes. Because in a debate, when someone starts spewing fallacious arguments, that's when I get nasty.

I think it's all just the way it looks on the same engine. For example, TES Morrowind and TES Oblivion were on the same engine as was FO3 (all on Gamebyro). But they all looked radically different from each other even if they handled similarly. I think people get upset or disheartened (I sort of feel a bit disheartened) that it looks sooooo similar. It's hard to consider it a completely new game when it looks just like the old one.

Because that's a completely reasonable way to handle that situation. If you had responded more or less like "I'm sorry, but you're being fairly ignorant." My response probably would've been;

Alright, maybe I was a little quick to jump the gun. Others have already come here and made their points, and I don't disagree with them. But the whole filling of their arguments are things that may be not things that are. All I'm saying is (and thinking back, I don't think this is quite what I came off as saying in my first post) it might be a little too early to say New Vegas IS going to be closer to the first two in terms of story.

See how that worked out? Nobody was offended, nobody acted completely condescending. You don't appreciate a fallacy in an argument. OK. I don't appreciate talking down to your opponent, and purposely trying to make them feel like they are less than you.

What did you say about jumping a gun?! My father was killed that way you know!

I am very offended by this remark. I will lodge a formal complaint against your mother. (Zing!)

/sarcasm

:spotted owl:

My father died falling head over hills.

I thought the expression was "falling head over heels"?

Cool butthurt bro. Sounds like you mad. You real mad. Why you gettin' mad on the internet bro?
You still mad? Tell you what. We take this outside. Only one of us comes back in.
DEAL W/ IT NERD.

Are you trolled yet? That's a rhetorical question.

Fixed it for ya. :3

Yeah, that's what I read too.

Also; I realize I'm a bit of a nerd. That's not an insult

http://theunemployedblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/trollface_hd.jpg


You are a bit of a nerd. But not enough. In fact, the nerd community looks down on your shenanigans. I am disappointed because frankly, I expected better. So much chaff, oh so much chaff.

Children, children.... :shakehead: