Overpowered Dual-Wield

Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:09 am

Before adding any Perk or Damage Bonus a DW is capable of doing %14 more damage, per strike(1 strike from each weapon) because 2H weapons can only do %86 more damage than 1H weapon of same class.

I did not count as DPS, it is just per strike, I believe 2H has much lower value in terms of DPS.

Looking at Perks, there are only two difference:

1-) 2H has 9 items, 1H has 10 items, that 1 extra item is Dual Flurry which gives %35 more speed.

2-) 70 kill perk of 1H gives %50 more damage with Power Attacks, 70 kill perk of 2H only gives directional swing.

Looking at Enchantments:

Enchantments in game are powerful, and 1H & 2H enchantments are not different, so DW has 2x as much enchantment power as 2H

Plus thanks to their faster speed, they can apply enchantment effects much, much faster.

Looking at Shouts:

Elemental Fury which increases speed, at first glance it should help 2H more since it is % based, but if we add the fact DW getting 2x enchantment, their apply rates getting boost from that too, which makes DW literally invincible.


Looking at other abilities:

Yes, 1 Handed cannot use Block/Bash, but have you ever thought, you're capable of getting bonus from Stealth while 2 Handed cannot that's why I believe Dual Wield is overpowered.

2H has Block/Bash, Dual Wield has Sneaking Bonus.

2H has longer reach, Dual Wield has quicker animations so they can evade enemy attacks more easily.
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Lauren Graves
 
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:48 am

Bump.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:08 pm

Dual wielding is extremely OP in this game. I killed Alduin in four power attacks at level 43. He only had time to land once. And I didn't use any weird exploits to make severely overpowered weapons with enchanting or alchemy, it was just two legendary Daedric Swords made from level 100 smithing.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:28 am

Yes it is, I've proven everything,

It has far better damage and speed, and can exploit that better damage and speed with 2x enchantments, and can exploit these enchantments with use of elemental fury.

It can't block but it can get bonus from Stealth tree(6x instead of 2x)

It's reach is shorter but it has quicker animations so they can respond enemy attacks easily.

It is now gamebreaking isssue, I've sent an email to bethesda since nobody on this forum seems to care.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:49 am

So reading all comments i can assume dual wield is better:
-Faster attacks
-2x enchantments
-Less stamina consuming power attacks
-More overall dmg in 5 sec
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:19 am

So reading all comments i can assume dual wield is better:
-Faster attacks
-2x enchantments
-Less stamina consuming power attacks
-More overall dmg in 5 sec


You did not read at all, read first post in first page or first post in sixth page, I summed up everything.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:26 pm

There is no data about that on wiki, but I can see dual wield power attack does more damage, faster and takes less stamina, and they are being able to use 2x enchanments. It is ridiculous.

Just because they can't use ridiculous block, look at the damage they get.

duel weilding uses up a lot of stamina. i get two power attacks then stamina is empty.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:05 pm

duel weilding uses up a lot of stamina. i get two power attacks then stamina is empty.


Read first post of first page.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:50 am

Dual wield is crap compared to 1h w/shield or 2 handed. Bashing is really good because you can break channels stop casting. Dragons are particularly vulnerable to this because they have a long stumble animation that means you can perma stun lock them while getting many hits in. Dual wield is useless on warrior types.

As for damage, it's not too hard to kill things at high difficulties in a few hits and dual wielding damage is unnecessary.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:24 pm

If you think it overpowered, dont use it. Its a single player game... sheesh
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:31 am

Dual wield is crap compared to 1h w/shield or 2 handed. Bashing is really good because you can break channels stop casting. Dragons are particularly vulnerable to this because they have a long stumble animation that means you can perma stun lock them while getting many hits in. Dual wield is useless on warrior types.


1-) A Two Handed weapon can do %86 more damage than One Handed weapon of same class. Therefore Dual Wield can do %14 more with regular attacks per strike.

2-) You're not only be able to use 2x enchantments, you're able to apply them much faster thanks to your speed with Dual Wield

3-) Dual-Wield's power attack is superior to 2Handed

4-) One handed has one extra item in perk tree(10 items in One Handed, 9 items in Two Handed), which is %35 speed bonus, and apart from that, they get %50 power attack boost while 2H get directional swings

5-) Dual Wield has upper hand in use of elemental fury(A shout that increases your speed %) because of faster application of 2x enchantments

6) You cannot block with Dual Wield, but you can get bonus from Stealth while 2H cannot (With daggers 15x, with rest of weapons 6x)

7-) 2H has longer reach, DW has faster animations so they can evade blows more easily.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:50 am

If you think it overpowered, dont use it. Its a single player game... sheesh


I use 2 handed and I only tested DW, I won't change to DW, I'm just here to report because I can.

You however, are free to not use, and not to care, and obviously have option to not comment to things you don't care.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:39 pm

This is not an MMO. You are playing against npc and you can choose your own path. There will be optimal builds in a single player game. Stop venting just because your build may not be it. Just get a daedric two handed legendary axe and 2 shot everything. Btw you can go up the block tree as there are skills that don't just apply to shields. Ask my son who has a 2 handed, blocking + light armor barbarian that crushes everything he comes across.

DW may do more dmg but it even says this on one of the loading screens and is intended. Is it that you made a choice and every choice is not equal that bugs. Or do you feel like you wasted your time because you are not doing the most OP dmg in the game?
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:04 am

Those who think direct opposite of me, play 2 Handed and Dual Wield after it, you'll notice game is easier with Dual Wield.

Game is great, I like it very much, but if only bethesda could do fix for these issues, based on my observations on Oblivion it going to take a while or not at all :(


i have and game was much much easier with a greatsword than duel wield.
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