i was wondering about 'the Great Game' Desmond Lockheart mentioned in Point Lookout -pre-war people who still survive to this day by messing themselves up, and how still fight each other and manipulate everyone around them, just because.
have you guys got any ideas about them and who you could include in them?
here is the list ive come with at the moment

Dr. Victor Presper [Van Buren, cryogenic storage]
Gaston Glock [mentioned, FO1, FO2, FO tactics, AI consciousness transfer]
Mr. House [FO:NV, life support machine]
The Think Tank [FO:NV, brains in robots]
Desmond Lockheart [FO3, ghoulification]
Professor Calvert [FO3, robobrain]

The Enclave???
The Chineses Remnants???

Anthony House

I do not think anybody you mentioned (of course besides Professor Calvert and Desmond Lockheart) are part of the Great Game.

Dr. Victor Presper is not canon, Gaston Glock might be but I do not believe so, Mr. House is on the opposite side of the country, its possible but I still doubt it, The Think Tank has been cut off from the outside world completely until Christine Royce, Father Elijah, Ulysses, and later the Courier showed up, the Enclave would definantly not be part of it and I have no idea what you are refering to by the Chineses Remnants.

I would expect it to be an East Coast/Mid West war of the geniuses with tons of new characters involved (hope we see them in the future).

I would expect East coast and deep south to be part of it.

Aside from Professor Calvert and Desmond Lockheart. None of the above (including the Enclave).

The "Great Game" refers to a espionage and counter-espionage activities amongst spy's and state agents. Neither of which fit the profile of really any of characters you listed. I could see some ghoulified Chinese spies being involved however.

Didn't he say something like "The Great Game" continues? Or never ends or something? I got the impression there were a few of these Old World individuals still continuing old grudges but otherwise doing little else.

It's all just a Highlander reference by Bethesda.

/thread

He tells you that there are a lot of competators and it will probably never end (something along those lines, I should play Point Lookout again).

sorry, when i said the 'Chineses Remnant' i meant the Chinese Remnant-those Chinese ghouls in DC.
although, i do think that those guys are part of the 'Great Game', because they would probably all fight and kill each other for technology, survival and rivalry. i could easily see desmond lockheart having something to do with the Think Tank from before the Great War, and try and destroy them for their technology-likewise, if Mr. House found out that Professor Calvert had taken over Maryland (even though he didn't) and was trying to take over america via mind control, he would send someone to take him out, so i dont really see the Great Game being exclusive to some crazy old guys- it would probably involve every pre-war survivor who was involved in politics, science and espionage. To be honest, i only really started this thread because its such a great idea, which could be part of games and DLC

No they would not. Their insane ghouls sitting in a building in D.C. for two centuries, they would not be in a giant multi-century battle between geniuses and billionares.



No I do not think so. Bit Mt. Research and Developement was a government owned facility that Desomd Lockheart had probably nothing to do with.



There is no way Profesor Calvert could do that, there is not way for House to find that out, and there is not way for him to send anybody to take care of it.

So there is no way of that happening at all.



They were not crazy old guys right after the Great War and it would definantly not involve every pre-war polotician and sciensist.

Desmond was rich and a major player in the Great Game for years. According to the Vault he wanted to just give up the Great Game and live his life but since he was such as big player he would have been hunted by his rivals. He can only rest once every last one of them is dead.



I do think its a great idea and should have quests in either the next Fallout game or DLC for it.

fair enough about the Chinese Remnants, that was just me putting some ideas about (although what would happen if someone came along with credentials 'proving' that they were the Chinese President...)

when i said 'those guys' i meant that list, not explicitly the Chinese Remnant

Desmond Lockheart was a scientist and spy from before the war, who was definetly involved with hindering the calvert family, specifically professor calvert, who was involved in government work, hence why he is still alive, so it may not be too much of a leap to say that Desmond could have had something to do with the Think Tank, even though he probably didn't.

Professor Calvert's plan was to take over Maryland with mind control. if he had maryland, why stop there? i admit that Mr. House wouldn't find out about it until Professor Calvert was in Texas or something, but it is a hypothetical example, and if Mr. House found out, then he probably would try and do something about it, if only to preserve his own power.

The point about Desmond just trying to survive is a major part of the Great Game: they are trying to survive (and any pre-war scientists, military figures and politicians who are still alive at 200+ years must have gone to great lengths to) and they think that the others are trying to kill them and steal their technology, so they would naturally feel that the only way to survive is by hunting down and killing everyone else. To be fair, most of them may not recognise that there 'is' a great game going on-but if someone from before the war turned up, maybe even trying to kill them, they would fight back

thats what i think anyway, and its my impression of the situation

I think it refers to the great game that is politics.

EDIT:ah after rereading my tired little brain finally comprehended what it is the great game of spies,backstabbing,lies and deceit or just politics or company rivalry.

:facepalm:
China is communist, they have no president and why would any of their military leaders be in the US?



I actually remember him saying that he and Calvert were rivals pre-war and he came to hunt him down post-war, living in Calvert's own house.

And he could have absolutely nothing to do with the Think Tank, they have been closed off from civilization since the Great War and they weren't very open to other people at that time either.

They were too inclosed and far away for him to have even been there let along tried to fight them in the Great Game.



Professor Calvert did not plan to take over Maryland, he wanted to kill Desmond and move on to other players in the Great Game.



Again, I still think it is only on the eastern half of the USA, not involving everybody but a lot of people none the less.

According to the fallout wikia, China had a president called President Xin. i don't know if thats correct or just made up, thats just where im getting my information

and it wouldn't neccesarily be an actual military leader of china-for example Irving Cheng of Tenpenny Tower claims to be the descendant of Chairman Cheng: if he ever heard of the Chinese Remnant, actually wanted to get power over the Capital wasteland, and got the guts to actually go there (all very unlikely i admit) he might be able to convince them to follow him. Might

i know Calvert and Desmond were rivals pre-war and desmond came to hunt him down

While Desmond probably doesn't know that the Think Tank exists, and even if he did, they're too far away for him to do anything about. however, Big MT used to be a government research centre and someone may have gone looking for the technology there (and i know, its a very well hidden and highly secret place, but Elijah did find it, as did Ulysses, who was specifically following the weather caused by all the meterological experiments-something someone who knows what to look for, may find)

If Professor calvert just wanted to kill desmond, not take over Maryland, then that is my mistake for misinterpreting it. thats just how i felt it was.

as for where it is, i think it is wherever the players go-Desmond went to Point Lookout to find Professor calvert, so it was there. If desmond survives, he goes north to find another survivor, so the great game will be played out up there. thats what i think anyway

The wiki is not always right.

And why would a game between people in America involve the Chinese in any way, shape, or form?



Desmond might know that the Think Tank exists but that does not matter.

Professor Calvert took control of a small tribe and you jump to the conclusion he is trying to control Maryland? He is a brain in a jar, he needs a tribe to be able to take on Desmond.

Plus if Professor Calvert would have survived he probably would've used that tribe to attack the other players in the Great Game.

China does have presidents, but the people don't elect them. The communist party elects the president. I am not sure if China has elections but other Communist contries do/did.. its a total sham because theirs only one party you can vote for and therefore only one guy.

re·pub·lic/ri?p?blik/Noun: A state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president...

After all its called The People's Republic of China.

Union Soviet Socialist Republics, its the same thing, each member of the Union including Russia had a president.

That's one of the reasons why communism is a lie, because its not really the spirit of republic. People just took over by force and killed all opposition and continue to kill or arrest anyone that has an opinion that goes against the powers that be. They said they are the voice of the people and therefore no reason to have elections.

yeah,China does now have presidents, but only under the 1982 constitution-they might not exist in Fallout due to the divergence, and although it is on the wikia, they didn't mention where it was mentioned

Domino and Sinclair?

Why on earth would Dean Domino be part of the Great Game?

He is a ghoulified musician who has spent the past two centuries in the Sierra Madre with no connection to the outside world besides those who tried to get the gold from the Sierra Madre casino.

And Fredrick Sinclair was killed by the Cloud either right before or right after the war, which makes it impossible for him to be involved.

Xin was mentioned in Fallout 2. Most likely in San Francisco. I believe the Shi Emperor mentions him.

so it wasn't made up......
at least it is vaguely canon. but anyway, it doesn't have anything to do with this thread unless he survived the great war and decided to hunt down desmond lockheart

Which makes no sense because he is not in the US and has nothing to do with Demond Lockheart.

i know it has makes no sense and has nothing to do with this thread. i gave you an example about how someone could take over the Chinese Remnant by pretending to be the president of china, then you said that china didn't have a president because it was communist, but then it was confirmed by someone/something in fallout 2 that china did have a president, and then i said that at least that wasn't made up, but it had nothing to do this thread anyway, unless he had survived the war up to the present day and had something against dsmond lockheart, which would be the most convulted thing ever if the chinese president was hunting down desmond.

i think that was what happened. its all there in the thread