How much is there actually left of Morrowind?

Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:17 pm

I guess it must be one of the most talked about conversations in the lore section by now lol. As we all know Morrowind is gone, or at least the red mountain erupted. I'm just curious how much of it is left, I can't believe the red mountain covered every part of morrowind in ashes? It doesn't seem logical to me that the whole country is covered in ashes by one eruption? Yet the surrounding countries are not affected by it. There must be some untouched regions at the borders with other countries? Is for example Mournhold still intact?

Sources are a little vague about this subject, some of them claim only the island got destroyed, others claim that the entire country got destroyed?
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:45 pm

I guess it must be one of the most talked about conversations in the lore section by now lol. As we all know Morrowind is gone, or at least the red mountain erupted. I'm just curious how much of it is left, I can't believe the red mountain covered every part of morrowind in ashes? It doesn't seem logical to me that the whole country is covered in ashes by one eruption? Yet the surrounding countries are not affected by it. There must be some untouched regions at the borders with other countries? Is for example Mournhold still intact?

Sources are a little vague about this subject, some of them claim only the island got destroyed, others claim that the entire country got destroyed?


Well, in Skyrim the distant LOD is there for morrowind and part of Vvardenfel, so I would say that it still exists.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:17 pm

Well, in Skyrim the distant LOD is there for morrowind and part of Vvardenfel, so I would say that it still exists.


It looks quite untouched in Skyrim...that's why I was confused. Also why would the dunmer settle in different countries if only the island got destroyed? I mean the country is pretty big right? Maybe the nords ask themselves the same question and that's why most nords don't like dunmer living in windhelm?
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:35 pm

Morrowind immediately after the eruption was uninhabitable. One of the Dunmer, when asked why he came to Skyrim, said that after the eruption you could hardly breathe.

Then, of course, you have the Argonian invasion, which routed the Dunmer from Morrowind.

But both of these things were ultimately temporary. The Argonians returned to their swamps, and the ash around Vvardenfell cleared. Some Dunmer in Skyrim mention that Morrowind is being resettled. So, its certainly not 'gone' anymore.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:06 pm

Hmm? Where was it said that Vvardenfell was being resettled? I've only come across information suggesting it was "destroyed". Also, as far as I know, the Argonians took the southern half of Morrowind and I've not read anything about them giving it back.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:42 pm

All of it was damaged by lava, meteor, or invasion. Very little of it was actually destroyed.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:17 am

But both of these things were ultimately temporary. The Argonians returned to their swamps, and the ash around Vvardenfell cleared. Some Dunmer in Skyrim mention that Morrowind is being resettled. So, its certainly not 'gone' anymore.


I'd love to see that be an ES game, or some kind of massive DLC addon. Help the Dunnmer rebuild Morrwind. It could make for some interesting quests, and choices for the player.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:58 pm

All of it was damaged by lava, meteor, or invasion. Very little of it was actually destroyed.


Most NPCs in Skyrim make it sound like Vvardenfell was actually destroyed, tho. We don't really know for sure, yet.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:48 pm

Most NPCs in Skyrim make it sound like Vvardenfell was actually destroyed, tho. We don't really know for sure, yet.


You can actually see Vvardenfell in Skyrim, it's definitely still there... So it wasn't destroyed in a literal sense.

Morrowind itself obviously suffered, no more Tribunal, the "destruction" of Vvardenfell and an Argonian invasion. It's only logical that a lot of Dunmer fled away, though I'm sure a great deal with start going back soon enough.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:41 pm

I guess it must be one of the most talked about conversations in the lore section by now lol. As we all know Morrowind is gone, or at least the red mountain erupted. I'm just curious how much of it is left, I can't believe the red mountain covered every part of morrowind in ashes? It doesn't seem logical to me that the whole country is covered in ashes by one eruption? Yet the surrounding countries are not affected by it. There must be some untouched regions at the borders with other countries? Is for example Mournhold still intact?

Sources are a little vague about this subject, some of them claim only the island got destroyed, others claim that the entire country got destroyed?


one eruption can be quite distructive, sure us humans live in a nice time where a "bad" volcanic eruption will kill a few people. But history shows us that a single volcanic eruption has killed millions and distroyed whole empires. A good example is Yellowstone, a single eruption from Yellowstone would put up enough ash to block the sun for years all over the world while the ask, that is so heavy it takes only 2 inches to collapse an average house, will blanket the entire earth killing almost everything.

Don't under estimate a single eruption.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:22 pm

You can actually see Vvardenfell in Skyrim, it's definitely still there... So it wasn't destroyed in a literal sense.

Morrowind itself obviously suffered, no more Tribunal, the "destruction" of Vvardenfell and an Argonian invasion. It's only logical that a lot of Dunmer fled away, though I'm sure a great deal with start going back soon enough.


Oh, I must have missed that. But we're not talking about some kind of "no borders" mod are we? 'Cause if so, I'm not sure I'd consider it canon.

Anyway, if Red Mountain was anything Krakatoa then I'm pretty sure most of Vvardenfell simply burned to ashes and there is simply no life left. No vegetation. No nothing. And all of it covered in ash or lava.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:41 pm

Anyway, if Red Mountain was anything Krakatoa then I'm pretty sure most of Vvardenfell simply burned to ashes and there is simply no life left. No vegetation. No nothing. And all of it covered in ash or lava.


But that was almost two centuries ago; the area around Krakatau today, less than 150 years later, is quite lush. Plants will have returned, and soon after people, though if everything died I don't doubt there'll have been a decent number of extinctions and the replacements would have had to come from the mainland of Morrowind. And the best part? Volcanic ash is actually good for the soil, so no need to worry about agriculture once people return.

(Note that Krakatau also physically destroyed most of the island it was on, but that was a much smaller island than Vvardenfell so that probably isn't the case for the latter.)
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:24 pm

In the books Vvardenfell was constantly described as "The boiling water and lava pits that is now Morrowind". The eruption of Red Mountain destroyed Vvardenfell and a part of Morrowind. The part of Morrowind that was still inhabitable was invaded by the Argonians. Ofcourse the parts that Red Mountain "destroyed" aren't really gone. They were just completely uninhabitable, since the eruption destroyed most life.

I'm not sure how Morrowind holds up now. I would imagine that Morrowind is being repopulated, being that it's 180 years after it all went down. Don't think the Argonians held on to Morrowind so long aswell.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:24 pm

When did the Argonian invasion take place? Anyone got a year? I don't see why they would give up their holdings in Morrowind.

As for Vvardenfell, yeah you're right, 200 years later it would probably be okay again. Tho Red Mountain would probably be all but gone and a big crater descending into the ocean.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:41 pm

Oh, I must have missed that. But we're not talking about some kind of "no borders" mod are we? 'Cause if so, I'm not sure I'd consider it canon.

Anyway, if Red Mountain was anything Krakatoa then I'm pretty sure most of Vvardenfell simply burned to ashes and there is simply no life left. No vegetation. No nothing. And all of it covered in ash or lava.


It's not a mad, you can actually see it form a mountain in the eastern part of Skyrim looking further east... So that would be canon.

Now, there is no definitive evidence either way about survivors on Vvardenfell, but I'd imagine that at the very least a lot of cities on the islands like Sadrith Mora, Tel Aruhn and what not survived. Besides like said earlier after a period of 180 to a 190 years the land is going to be inhabitable again, it's going to be very fertile and people are going to be able to move back to Vvardenfell and create farm lands and rebuild the cities.
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Post » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:41 am

When did the Argonian invasion take place? Anyone got a year?


According to one of the books in Skyrim, it happened in 4E 6.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:02 am

It's not a mad, you can actually see it form a mountain in the eastern part of Skyrim looking further east... So that would be canon.

Now, there is no definitive evidence either way about survivors on Vvardenfell, but I'd imagine that at the very least a lot of cities on the islands like Sadrith Mora, Tel Aruhn and what not survived. Besides like said earlier after a period of 180 to a 190 years the land is going to be inhabitable again, it's going to be very fertile and people are going to be able to move back to Vvardenfell and create farm lands and rebuild the cities.


Don't know. By the sound of it, Vvardenfell was "destroyed", so even if there's something physically there, I doubt any of the older cities survived at all. It might have opened up to limited colonization, however, but by the sound if it people are still pretty distraught over it. I think it's still pretty screwed.

Now Solstheim, however, that I'd like to see what's happened with.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:36 pm

Oh yeah I completely forgot that skyrim takes place +- 200 years after the eruption. It's a bit hard to keep track of time in skyrim I still feel like the oblivion crisis was "yesterday" when I'm playing the game. It must be somewhat restored by now!
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:37 am

Don't know. By the sound of it, Vvardenfell was "destroyed", so even if there's something physically there, I doubt any of the older cities survived at all. It might have opened up to limited colonization, however, but by the sound if it people are still pretty distraught over it. I think it's still pretty screwed.

Now Solstheim, however, that I'd like to see what's happened with.


The older cities on the mainland are likely gone. Vivec city was destroyed when the Ministry fell on it, Ald' Ruhn was destroyed during the Oblivion crisis, Balmore was likely destroyed when the Volcano erupted, Ebonheart was likely destroyed as well and most other cities were irrelevant.

Most Telvanni cities however could have survived such things, they were mostly across the sea (with the exception of Tel Vos, which is likely gone as well) ruled by powerful wizards that could possibly do things like stop storms and tidal waves and all build relatively high. So you know, I don't see how those cities would have been destroyed. Especially when you consider that there is absolutely nothing to show even a slight effect on Skyrim or hear anything about Cyrodiil or the Black Marsh suffering from the eruption. Now with the eruption at least being 194 years ago, it should be possible to move back already. I don't see what's stopping the Dunmer. Sure it will take time, money and possibly a few lives to those damnable cliff racers (who are like rodents and just won't die out!!!!!) but all in all, Vvardenfell could be rebuild.

I don't know how bad the war with the Argonians still is though. I'd imagine something like that would take priority right now.
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Post » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:08 am

The problem that a lot of people seem to want to gloss over, is infrastructure. Infrastructure is, quite simply, one of the most important aspects of intelligent society. It even beats out technology in many regards (who cares if you know how to do something, but don't have the equipment required?). Morrowind had most of its infrastructure wiped out. The ports and roads needed to import key goods? Gone. The lumbermills that supply building materials? Gone. The domesticated animals & plants? Gone. Morrowind (or at least Vvarvendfel) was reset. Turned back into wilderness. It takes a whole lot of time to get back from that. In the meantime, Dunmer keep on breeding out in the greater world.
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Post » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:09 am

This is my take on it http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc372/dementedyeknom/?action=view¤t=vvardenfell-map.jpg

I dont think that it literally destroyed much except for what is known as the Scathing Bay. everything in the dead zone, well died
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