The "Return" of the Dwemer?

Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:55 am

i'm sure they could return...but would they be all warped and savage like the falmer? If they are brought back it would be cool if they were an unplayable npc race. I don't know that i would like them to come back to be honest though, leave them a mystery, what ever we (people on the lore forum) think about them probably wont be so cool in game

Although i do love there ruins, armor, and some of their weapons
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:08 pm

After going through all these torture... Death traps of the dwemer, I've come to the realization that they'd just kill and torture everyone, bleh. They seem like really mean mer. Yargum Bargum was a teddy bear compared to these guys.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:48 am

After going through all these torture... Death traps of the dwemer, I've come to the realization that they'd just kill and torture everyone, bleh. They seem like really mean mer. Yargum Bargum was a teddy bear compared to these guys.

I don't think they did it out of spite or viciousness.
The traps seem more like security than anything.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:18 pm

They managed to get on everyone's bad side. I haven't read a positive external account of the Dwemer ever, I think.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:50 pm

They managed to get on everyone's bad side. I haven't read a positive external account of the Dwemer ever, I think.


Sounds like the Altmer, lol.
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Post » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:15 am

I don't think they did it out of spite or viciousness.
The traps seem more like security than anything.


Oh, I certainly hope so.

Maybe if they did come back their would be more Bargums with that teddy bear quality about them.

One can only hope.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:21 pm

I don't think they'll come back.

But its certainly possible for the PC to go back, as the Skyrim MQ demonstrated.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:27 pm

Did anyone notice that Falion, the guy that cures your Vampirism, says he's spoken with Dwemer?

Last, but certainly not least, we have http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Falion, who claims he's seen Dwemer. Being a Redguard, it seems out of the question that he could possibly have been alive during their time, Telvanni magics included. Perhaps he's referring to Yagrum Bagarn? Perhaps he merely meant he saw a Dwemer Spectre. Or perhaps the Dwemer still exist somewhere, or there's just one more Deep Elf still roaming around somewhere. A very heavy claim that, unfortunately, we get no more information about.

;)

Really, it was that line that made me post this thread. I had seen the other three "points" I had mentioned in the original post before and brushed them off, but that was the last straw. I knew I wanted to start a discussion about this, as I can't help but feel that Bethesda considers the Dwemer still accessible in some way, at least.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:04 pm

Could a Dwemer bind his soul into a Animunculi? Sorta like a robot lich? Would a Dwemer even attempt that sort of thing?

In a related note I have always wondered how Dwemer Animunculi were "Programed". And don't say "it's magic".
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:32 am

Did anyone notice that Falion, the guy that cures your Vampirism, says he's spoken with Dwemer?

Isn't he a dunmer who claims to have also explored other worlds? I assumed he was a less-incistuous version of Divayth Fyr, and chilled with dwemer before they disappeared.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:19 pm

Y'all think the dwemer had any arts? Maybe a lil music? Lil 'twang' in there bong and screech?

I'm thinking if Sheogorath ever wanted to mess with anyone, he'd throw some dwemer 'music' in with the vision of a 'flashy' return.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:23 pm

Isn't he a dunmer who claims to have also explored other worlds? I assumed he was a less-incistuous version of Divayth Fyr, and chilled with dwemer before they disappeared.

Falion is a Redguard, actually. That does sound far more like an http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Faelian name, though, or Merish in general.

In a related note I have always wondered how Dwemer Animunculi were "Programed". And don't say "it's magic".

The "how" of Dwemer machines is unknown to the other races, and thus unknown to us. We know they use a lot of steam and a lot of soul gems.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:32 pm

I found a journal in Arkathand(sp?) that stated that the Soul gems were not the source of power in the Dwemer machines, but that no discernible source could be found with in them. So there is some magic of some form or another used to a degree. There must be.

Perhaps the soul gems simply posses the primal nature of the being trapped within, and transfer that nature to the Machine?
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:44 pm

I found a journal in Arkathand(sp?) that stated that the Soul gems were not the source of power in the Dwemer machines, but that no discernible source could be found with in them. So there is some magic of some form or another used to a degree. There must be. Perhaps the soul gems simply posses the primal nature of the being trapped within, and transfer that nature to the Machine?


Idea relating to mine. I wonder if that's what they do to there dead. A dwemer would just get bound in a soulgem apon death and get plugged in to a Animunculi. I know there are dwemer ghosts(mysteriously absent from skyrim) but I've wondered why there are not any dwemer tombs or graveyards. Or did everyone get donated to "Magicscience" and cremated when they where done?
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:33 pm

If you want new, awesome, Morrowindish stuff, look to MK. If you want things more along the lines of Daggerfall or Oblivion, look to other gamesas writers.

Tbh, in the case of Skyrim, it is like they finally started putting their minds around some of the stuff MK wrote. We got something that was both a rehashing of previous theoretical lore stuff, and a sort of middle ground between Morrowind/standard gamesas sides.

[EDIT]: One other note: "I also heard a strange story about the centurion spider that we captured and sent back to Cyrodiil. The ship captain I hired wrote to me with an odd story. He said that the spider nearly broke through its cage several times while near Vvardenfell, but once he left the Sea of Ghosts, the centurion suddenly stopped working. What happened next shows that he had more wits than I gave him credit for. He ordered the ship turned about and as they approached Vvardenfell again, the centurion began moving just as suddenly. This is a curious phenomenon and certainly deserves more investigation." - http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-senilius-report

The only way I can see to interpret this is that the constructs only work when they are near the Heart (or just Vvardenfell itself). So how does that work in Skyrim?


Vvardenfell's Dwemer were separate from the Hammerfell and Skyrim Dwemer, I assume. Different tech and culture. The Heart was the key to the Vvardenfell constructs; soul-gems seem to be the same thing with regards to the Skyrim constructs.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:34 am

Falion is a Redguard, actually. That does sound far more like an http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Faelian name, though, or Merish in general.

Huh. But still, powerful wizards of any race can live for really long times, and I think the Ragada arrived in Tamriel before the Dwemer disappeared, right?
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:13 pm

Vvardenfell's Dwemer were separate from the Hammerfell and Skyrim Dwemer, I assume. Different tech and culture. The Heart was the key to the Vvardenfell constructs; soul-gems seem to be the same thing with regards to the Skyrim constructs.


I doubt the heart had anything to do with that. Before Skyrim the assumption was that power or control signals were broadcasted from Dwemer towers. There were Animuculi in Hammerfell aswell. So I reckon soul gems are just an addition for flavour and gameplay.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:16 pm

Before Skyrim the assumption was that power or control signals were broadcasted from Dwemer towers. There were Animuculi in Hammerfell aswell.

Really? I'd always thought it had something to do with the Heart, and I'd heard others say the same.
But soop's post makes me think it isn't the soul gems anyways, so... :shrug:
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:37 am

Since the only soul gem mining happens in a dwemer ruin (iirc), I wonder if maybe the dwemer were just using the soul gems as they would any other crystal.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:48 pm

Really? I'd always thought it had something to do with the Heart, and I'd heard others say the same.
But soop's post makes me think it isn't the soul gems anyways, so... :shrug:


Without further evidence, its the most logical conclusion in my mind. The conclusion I'm going to have to continue with until there is more evidence.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:30 pm

Huh. But still, powerful wizards of any race can live for really long times, and I think the Ragada arrived in Tamriel before the Dwemer disappeared, right?

Nope. The Ra Gada arrived in Tamriel a little over a hundred years after the Battle of Red Mountain. It's also worth noting that Falion mentions he has seen a Dwemer as an example of the crazy things he has seen. I imagine if he had seen the Dwemer people casually as they still lived in Tamriel, it would not have been worth mentioning then.
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Post » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:00 pm

Nope. The Ra Gada arrived in Tamriel a little over a hundred years after the Battle of Red Mountain. It's also worth noting that Falion mentions he has seen a Dwemer as an example of the crazy things he has seen. I imagine if he had seen the Dwemer people casually as they still lived in Tamriel, it would not have been worth mentioning then.


Something tells me he's actually seen Dwemer. Now the means of how is an entirely other question. Azura Vision? Meridia dream? Sheogorath hilariousness?! Who knows.

What do we usually say about the guy gibbering nonsense?

"yeah right!"

Well... Sometimes.

But some of the time doesn't that nonsense turn out to be true?
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