What does navy's have anything to do with it? Their a natural sea-faring race, because the Illiac Bay is a major part of Hammerfall's trade (Sentinel being the big daddy on the block) and they sailed from Yokuda to Hammerfell. Their navy was defeated by Richton in Redguard, sure they have a good navy, but its not the absolute best out there. The Altmer hold that honor because they're armies such, hence the term "Old Mary" as in their armies fight like an old woman. The comparison threads tend to get old, your only comparison is minor aesthetics, the culture of each race is far more complex to draw comparisons.

edit: Froglipes, I don't care weather or not you or anyone else plays as a Redguard or any other race, but you shouldn't base an assumption on something as simple minded as ones color of skin. It doens't take hours of study, all it takes is a few minutes to make an informed comment without being ignorant about it. Far be it for me to advocate reason :rolleyes:

Yet many people won't/refuse to look at their culture because they don't like the aesthetics. That's why in real life many ethnic minorities whine being ignored/dismissed in social circles, employment, dating, etc.

I dont dislike redguards based on their color, I just choose to never play as one. Ive got nothing against redguards, though. The other two races I will never play as in a TES game are Altmer and Bosmers.

I think that a lot of people actually do like the redguards,and in the end why care about what other people think as long as you like them.These "no one likes my made up video game character race" threads are getting quite old.

I just think they're boring, that's why I don't play them. Same reason I never play Imperials.

You say this because you don't want to be branded as shallow/racist, but that's probably the 'real' reason you're not playing as Redguard. It's not difficult to see a racist pattern in games and in real life. People naturally try to find all sorts of reasons to hide their racist mindset, but even so, the race you're being racist to can see that vibe.

What makes you think because someone doesn't play as one their racist? I never play as Imperials, does that make me racist against the fair skinned races?

In all TES games I ever played, I RPed as a Breton who was risen as a Redguard since I find them pretty damn awesome.

I dont have any problems with redguards i would just always make an orc or imperial or nord if i wanted to be a warrior

Some posts have gone away. Please note that placing real world racism into fictional races in a fictional world just doesn't work and has no place here. Unless you believe we have orcs and elves running around.

I suggest folks trying to do this, read some lore about each race but keep those comparisons and racist notions off the forum please.

People keep saying they have bland bonuses... but aren't the bretons bonuses bland also? Increased skill in some magic groups and a special skill? How is that not bland also. If you think about it, all the races kind of have "bland" bonuses.

Also, the different weapon types in skyrim have different... perks to them right? Like don't maces ignore armor etc? Also we still don't know how racial bonuses are going to work out. They are probably still in though.

Im not racist at all actually. I could care less what you think. Dont be throwing ridiculous accusations at others please.

what I am getting at is... people don't compare orcs to real life races because orcs don't look like any real life race. However.. redguards look REALLY close to a real life race/ethnic group but they are not that race or ethnic group. HOWEVER, people can connect them to it because they look SO VERY similar.

What? Orcs and elves don't exist? :blink:
On topic: Redguards are great I've played one in Morrowind, in Oblivion they were ugly (as everyone else), but their skin wasn't brown, like in Morrowind, daggerfall, skyrim, redguard, and all other TES games, it was a brown-red-orange-ish color that I didn't like. I mainly played as orcs in Oblivion as they are supposed to be ugly. I'm deffinately going to make a blind redguard swordmaster, kind of inspired by Eli (Book of Eli).

I have an idea! Let's talk about their lore rather than what color their skin is! Isn't that a great idea?

Orc:
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=skyrim+orc+presets&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox&rls=com.yahoo:en-US:official&biw=1680&bih=740&tbm=isch&tbnid=zkIK9O19MSsZ4M:&imgrefurl=http://skyrimguild.com/bethesda-releases-presets-of-each-race-in-skyrim/&docid=e642X5d8QrqZNM&imgurl=http://skyrimguild.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Orc_Presets.jpg&w=660&h=720&ei=nFSgTon1NaH-sQKJhPCBBQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=178&vpy=132&dur=288&hovh=184&hovw=169&tx=139&ty=107&sig=102326817347670466842&page=1&tbnh=125&tbnw=115&start=0&ndsp=36&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0

Aboriginal Man:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38987873@N00/4013746610/lightbox/

Some redguard characters were pretty cool in Oblivion. Baurus was just awesome, he is one of my favorite characters from TES games.

If I was going to play a warrior of some sort I would pick a Redguard tbh.

Does there have to be a thread on "why does no one like X race"
I'm certain all races have their fans, there is no need to make a thread

I can buy the former (which is evident in that Africans usually win running contests) but the second one is [censored].

Ok, that's it. You folks don't seem able to discuss the races of TES without real world racist discussion. This is closed for discussion.