So I was reading around the wiki, looking up random things to pass the time and I spotted http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Manya_Vargas and instantly thought http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Manny.
Is it possible that this is mother and son, or just a coincidence that they have the same last name ?

I looked further and Manny is Hispanic while Manya is Caucasian, so that wouldn't work but then I seen http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Nathan_Vargas who is Hispanic. This creates a ethnical link between them.
Nathaniel and Manya once travelled as caraveners for 30 years - "He ran a caravan route for over 30 years with his wife, Manya. It was during this period that he became obsessed with the Enclave." - Wiki. He became obsessed with the Enclave, possibly the West Coast, and during those 30 years he moved to Megaton, ofcourse crossing the country since this would explain why Manny is still in Vegas as it would be too reckless to take child/baby on such a long and harsh journey.
Manny grew up with his cousins before joing the Khans - NCR. So Manya/Nathaniel could have left him with relatives before setting off on thier journey.

Plausible ?

However, there is also http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Paladin_Vargas. Who shares that same surname as well. Paladin Vargas also happens to be hispanic.

So more than likely its just a coincidence. As there is no indication given that he has family in Megaton.

I'd say Manny Vargas is the same way. Although I suppose anything is possible.



I find it more likely that he became obessed with the Enclave in the east while hearing Eden's radio broadcasts. I'm not sure how he could have done that in the west since the Enclave in Fallout 2 didn't administer propaganada or claim to be fixing the problem of the wasteland to the average wastelander. After all, they had no need to.

Forgot about the Paladin, that kinda just throws it up in the air. *Shakes fist at popular surnames*

I'm not too sure about the Enclave at Navarro, but could there presence there not have been an attraction to Nathaniel, since I don't think the Enclave have been on the East coast for 30 years.

I love theories like this!

Ok, so we've got Manny Vargas, Paladin Vargas, Manya Vargas and Nathaniel Vargas.

Manya and Nathaniel ran a caravan route for over 30 years. Not specified where, but could be that they're from the west coast, just for the sake of this theory.
Manny Vargas is from the west coast, being an ex-Khan and ex-NCR. I don't think it's said how old he is though.
Paladin Vargas, not much known about him except that, according to the wiki, he was born 2247, making him 30 years old at the time of Fallout 3.

Could it be that Manny is the Paladins older brother? The parents were riding around with their caravan, then they left Manny/Manny left them/Manny was taken from them (rebellious teenager or kidnapped?) And at some point, they got a second son? How did he become part of the Brotherhood? When did the Brotherhood leave for D.C.? Was he recruited, having grown up on the caravan, then got into into fights with his parents and left them and they never spoke to or about each other again? And Vargas joined the Brotherhood, was a natural born gift and advanced in the heirarchy, and by 2277 he was sergeant in Lyon's Pride?

Yeah, that's what is making this forum soo great! :angel:

Interesting theory.

Nathaniel and Manya Vargas might have been in the West before the events of Fallout 2. Possibly in the New Reno area or up by Navarro. This could have been where Nathaniel became and Enclave nut. They had Manny, he wanted to stay in the West because he joined the Khans and Nathaniel and Manya went East.

A darker version could be that Manny and Paladin Vargas are the sons of Nathaniel and Manya Vargas. Its just that Nathaniel and Manya abandoned them when they were babies! Could be Nathaniel saw them as being mutant or something along that line :shifty:

But your making huge assumptions here, you have to assume that Nathaniel and Manya were from the Core Region.

Then you have to assume that they would both be sick enough to leave babies in the wasteland. Nathaniel might have though them unpure, but Manya is not a Enclave Supporter. So why would she dump her two children, her most precious things in a nuclear wasteland all alone in a wasteland?

Then you have to think that they maybe 10 or years back crossed the entire American Continent, as well as being relatively old people.

Then you have to consider that the Enclave while in the Core Region wasn't broadcasting propaganda or sending a message of hope of any kind to the wasteland. They were basically isolationist. If he tried going near Navvaro do you think they would let him live?

I think its more likely that he was a caravaneer in DC.

Its just a conspiracy lol. Can't prove they came form there but then again we can't prove they didn't. We only know they had a caravan and ones we know about can travel great distances. We know people have gone from the Core Region to DC, so why not Nathaniel and Manya?



Nathaniel could have been one of the guys helping give supplies to the Enclave. People forget that the Enclave did in fact work (used) the Salvatore family and Enlave from Navarro also went to New Reno on their own time (if I remember right). Navarro itself could have also had caravans go to it. So Nathaniel becomes an Enclave nut by working along side or being friends with Enclave. Manya just goes along with him.

Or it could be as simple as, a Caravan is no place to raise a kid. So they gave up the kids/babies to people that could better take care of them. They could have been poor on top of that.

They could have left Manny behind when he was just a couple years old or younger. Started heading East in their late 30s early 40s, had made it to DC by their late 40s early 50s and settled in DC.

Paladin Vargas is the odd one, because if he is from the core region, he would have been born into the Brotherhood. Then again he could have been one of the kids saved from The Pitt.

The wasteland is no place to raise a child. I don't see how a caravan would impede your ability to raise one. And if they owned a Caravan and were able to retire I think they had enough caps.

Not too mention why would tehy travel East? The comforts of the growing NCR would like hella lot better than treking off into the wastes.

I could see them traveling the disatance I just odn't see why.

Have you played attention to the Caravans in Fallout? They were being picked off one by one by the Masters Armies. They would go missing and never be seen again.

Fallout 2 Caravans have a lot of guards with alot of weapons, because they would often be attacked.

New Vegas has Caravans get wiped out. Gun Runners lost many of theirs, Sharon lost hers and we watch the Happy Trails Caravan get wiped out.

I have yet to see a baby in any caravan system. Even the little ones in DC are dangerous.

Also have to remember is that towns in the Core Region aside from New Reno are very safe. Vault City has cannon towers and a huge wall around it. Shady Sands has a big wall and a well armed police force. Many of the towns are full of kids Yet not one working for the caravans.


Nathaniel and Manya Vargas decide they can't raise kids in such a dangerous job and they leave them behind in a nice safe city, with well armed guards and other kids running around. They keep moving East to look for better trade routes, the first to discover new trade ways becomes rich. Their luck never pays off and they keep moving east.. Until one day they realise they are to old and have gone to far to go back.

I also think they never got rich. Look at their retirement home. In a radioactive mud crator built around a nuclear bomb! They decide it isn't worth going back to the core region. Nathanel discovers there are Enclave in DC.. Just another reason to stay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwL9deXNW8

Well; I suppose it isn't as crazy as the "James came from Vault 21" idea....

I think you would have to have a good sum of money to ever retire in the wasteland. And if thats the case the only reason they woul;d settle in a crappy Megaton was due to the fact that the Capital Wasteland is cesspool.

You also got too remember that theya re a little too old to be alive around teh time of teh Master. Ohh gotcha there. :whistling:

And if tehy had teh comforts of big city like and children back in the big city, do you really think they would rish trade routes east, on the frontier, and go so far east as to never be able to return for their children.

The Enclave had some notoriety in the Core Region, if I knew about them and found them in DC I wouldn't want to stay.

Retiring in the wasteland isn't that hard when everything is super cheap which it is in DC. Everything you need is all around you. If you have a good outdoor skill getting food isn't that hard. Keep in mind they aren't paying taxes or medical costs. If they were poor, retiring in the Core Region would be alot harder, because there they have to pay taxes and things aren't just given away dirt cheap.

I wasn't saying they were alive when the Master was around.. I was just pointing out that being in a Caravan is very dangerous and I was listing an extensive list of how dangerous it is.

The Enclave at the time of Fallout 2 was working with people in the wasteland. They were not like they are in Fallout 3. In Fallout 2 they were going to New Reno on their free time, they were making deals with mob families. Having caravans around them wouldn't be out of place. Or Nathaniel might have spent time with Enclave in New Reno or he went to Navarro, or both.

Maybe abandoned is to strong of word. They could have easily just left Manny with family or friends.

You also seem to think no place in the wasteland is safe, yet besides the Den and New Reno, all the loctions are very safe to raise kids. Out in the wasteland with alot of valuable items that make you a target to every raider and ass with a gun, not to mention deathclaws and other creatures.

Nathaniel and Manya could have made it to DC, but by the time they got their they were to old and it would take to long to get back. Maybe the path they took to DC was taken over by a hostile faction and they couldn't go back. Enclave being in DC would make an Enclave loving nut want to stay. What's his 70-80 something year old wife going to do? You really think she would dump him and try to head back across the country on her own?

The theory has some good ground. All you are saying is "they couldn't possibly leave their sons(s) behind." Or along the lines of "being in a caravan is a cake walk."

That's really not what I'm saying.

Well you seem to think a carvan life is not dangerous at all and every place in the Core Region is a just as dangerous as say DC.

Maybe Paladin Vargas is their kid who too became obsessed with the Enclave but joined the BoS instead because...well it's easier. Heck, the Lone Wanderer technically did it...

Paladin Vargas fell out with Nathaniel over political issues regarding the Enclave / BoS / NCR on the East Coast and seeing the BoS on th West Coast enraged Nathaniel as Paladin supported them and their cause so Nathaniel exiled Paladin from Megaton but luckily for Paladin the BoS there were hiring and he soon rose in their ranks.