Is it just me or does a lot of the discussion regarding Skyrim sounds like something you typically hear from MMO players? I've read so many forum posts about this and that being over or underpowered, x and y needing balanced, endgame play, l2p you noob (ok, a bit exaggerated on that one), etc. It's kind of strange seeing this kind of language being used for an Elderscrolls game. I'm not sure if it's good, bad, or neither, just an observation.

More like an internet sub-culture thing, or internet meme, or whatever you want to call it. Pretty sure WoW didn't start some of those terms.

Well, I know that, it's just that I see a lot of people talking about Skyrim as if it's an MMO. That's the point I was trying to make, World of Warcraft is just the most obvious comparison to make.

Nuance. They are talking about Skyrim as if it's a RPG. Which it is.

people are just impatience cause the Creation kit is not yet arrived

Everywhere I go, I see endless discussion of OP this, UP that, such and such "can't compete." What? Can't compete? Who are you competing against. It's just AI. Why talk like this is some MMORPG? TES is single player. This is getting so very tiresome.

Since when does a game have to be multiplayer in order to have some equity among combat disciplines?

I think the magic-users have a very valid point.

I dont see a problem in that, or wait, you are expecting a forum where you want everyone to have the same opinion as yours? There are lot of legitimate concerns out there.

It is pretty silly. They're competing against... a difficulty slider that they have control over. Yay.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong here, I'm just stating an observation. I have played the previous two games and I don't remember and kind of discussion using what I'll call "MMO" terminology, but then again, i was a bit late and didn't play either until a year or so after their respective release dates.

Metagaming has become a huge thing over the past few years. No game is safe from it.

I can't understand either, there's no pvp here. And as far as I've tried every fighting style works well, even pure magic that so many enjoy bashing. I just beaten the game using only magic... summon creatures and using destruction spells isn't that hard.

Just use whatever you wish and have fun.

aye, I completely miss the point. Well, to me, there are not much difference between Skyrim and MMO, exclude the multiple and online part. Balance is the issues in both genre, it breaks or makes immersion.

oops, horrible typo

Can't beat abit of barrens chat. those were the good old days in wow.

Yes, I've noticed this too. Even as I write this there is a topic on the front page with "l2p" in the subtitle. I suspect many here are WoW players who've taken a little break to play Skyrim and are applying the same MMO mindset to a single player game. I'm not saying some people don't have valid concerns, but the WoW forum community is utterly horrible and it would be a shame for that same mindset to affect this forum.

That's why we have the lore forum

Indeed. Overpowered, underpowered are terms that most likely have it's roots in MMORPG's. Why can't we use them for a single player game?
If I go in a dungeon and I 1-hit every enemy-NPC, I can say I am overpowered, this has nothing to do with MMO stuff.
Another good exemple are the 'nerf smithing' topics I see pop up on a lot of forums. Why nerf it?! Skyrim isn't an MMORPG! But the fact is that you can max out smithing very early in the game and thus make uber weapons and armor very early, which makes you overpowered.

Every game needs good balancing, whether it's singleplayer or multiplayer.

I think your point about the Smithing isn't right, you said it yourself, it's a single player game, therefore any 'exploit', is entirely down to the player as to whether or not to use it. It's not effecting anyone else, like it would in an MMORPG, if someone wants to use it, that's their choice. Personally I have used the dagger method to raise my Smithing, but only as I reached level 20 and felt I needed more protection, as I wasn't finding much Ebony/Daedric type armours. However someone may want a bigger challenge, and so that's where choice comes in, and being able to have self restraint.

The Mage issue is a different kettle of fish, but I don't even want to get started on that!

Shameless self bump, and because there are surely more people on the forums now than at whatever ungodly hour this topic began.

Its Pandemic.

I agree about there being some big issues that need to be fixed like the magic system which i here doesn't scale too well and bugs of course, but you make a good point. It is a single player game, if you don't want to use certain exploits, don't. If you do, you go right ahead. Some people love to min/max and powergame, some people like to roleplay.

bump...this forum moves way too fast

It does sound much like any mmo forum. And when I say that I dont mean the questions about exploits I mean the harsh tone of replies.

No, not at all. Theres not enough creepy attempts to hit on girls. But I mean we can fix that if you like.

Hey ladies you want to check out my 2 hander? Then later I can show you my broadsword.