How to use the Bozar?

Post » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:06 pm

So what I can gather from this discussion and my use of it as one of my characters' "signature weapons" is bottom line the Bozar can do everything well, but nothing superiorly. It's a jack of all trades but a master of none.
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Post » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:07 pm

http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/images/39651-3-1297584251.jpg Cheatingly deadly, but not pretty :hehe:

I'd rather have the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Pancor_Jackhammer_%28Fallout_2%29.

To me, that AA-12 looks too clean for Fallout, I'd still take it over the jackhammer.
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Post » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:31 pm

I think I'll reiterate what I've stated before which is that I think what Josh was going for was to integrate new weapons into the tiers to suit new playthroughs, characters/play-tyles, while not alienating every super powered weapon already available nor being the weakest of the bunch.

So why does Bozar have to be the best long range heavy weapon or suited for end-game?



That's not the problem.

The problem is that the Anti-Materiel Rifle can deal an average of ~880 damage in a single sneak attack headshot, so there's no need to fire more than one round when sniping. Other sniper rifles do lower damage, but higher crit rate and faster firing rate; you lose out on the ability to one shot anything, but the firing rate and crit rate give you superior mid-range performance and don't quite demand a headshot from you. The Bozar? There's no reason to use it. A Sneak attack headshot crit from it will deal ~72 damage and the other bullets just do the basic 19. It's a poor sniper.

On the other hand, it's inferior to the LMG damage-wise. So you're basically gimping yourself for close-range by using it instead of the standard LMG.

Then there's always mid-range, but even there it's usefulness is questionable. Medicine Stick, K9000, Assault Carbine, All American, Survivalist's Rifle....ALL of those are good mid-range options, and even so, mid-range generally means you need a gun that's decent at both close- and long range; it's not so much a stand-alone range.


The result is you have a gun that specializes in absolutely nothing and gets out-classed by someone in absolutely everything.
The only real category remaining is "best all-around gun," for a hypothetical situation where you can only carry ONE rifle, perhaps for roleplaying purposes. I think General Masters said his successful DID playthrough was done relying almost exclusively on the LMG, so it's quite possible, but again, I dunno if the scope would be worth losing all the LMG's extra damage. The problem there is that the Survivalist's Rifle and Cowboy repeater/Trail Carbine/Brush Gun/Medicine Stick are absolutely beast candidates of that category, and you'd have to save up a large sum of money before you could even GET the Bozar. The Bozar's cheap ammunition is offset by it's incredible pricetag, aswell.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:55 am

Not me. The Jackhammer would have a slighly higher damage from the longer barrel, but the AA-12 has a higher rate of fire and larger mags for a much higher adjusted reload DPS.

-Gunny


Well, i'm a guy that chooses his equipment based on how it looks rather than how it perfoms :hehe:

Which is why i've never used 9mm SMG or the Plasma Caster :blush:
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Post » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:49 pm

Well, i'm a guy that chooses his equipment based on how it looks rather than how it perfoms :hehe:

Which is why i've never used 9mm SMG or the Plasma Caster :blush:

OK. I'm with you on that. The plasma caster is fugly.

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Post » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:59 am

That's not the problem.

The problem is that the Anti-Materiel Rifle can deal an average of ~880 damage in a single sneak attack headshot, so there's no need to fire more than one round when sniping. Other sniper rifles do lower damage, but higher crit rate and faster firing rate; you lose out on the ability to one shot anything, but the firing rate and crit rate give you superior mid-range performance and don't quite demand a headshot from you. The Bozar? There's no reason to use it. A Sneak attack headshot crit from it will deal ~72 damage and the other bullets just do the basic 19. It's a poor sniper.

On the other hand, it's inferior to the LMG damage-wise. So you're basically gimping yourself for close-range by using it instead of the standard LMG.

Then there's always mid-range, but even there it's usefulness is questionable. Medicine Stick, K9000, Assault Carbine, All American, Survivalist's Rifle....ALL of those are good mid-range options, and even so, mid-range generally means you need a gun that's decent at both close- and long range; it's not so much a stand-alone range.


The result is you have a gun that specializes in absolutely nothing and gets out-classed by someone in absolutely everything.
The only real category remaining is "best all-around gun," for a hypothetical situation where you can only carry ONE rifle, perhaps for roleplaying purposes. I think General Masters said his successful DID playthrough was done relying almost exclusively on the LMG, so it's quite possible, but again, I dunno if the scope would be worth losing all the LMG's extra damage. The problem there is that the Survivalist's Rifle and Cowboy repeater/Trail Carbine/Brush Gun/Medicine Stick are absolutely beast candidates of that category, and you'd have to save up a large sum of money before you could even GET the Bozar. The Bozar's cheap ammunition is offset by it's incredible pricetag, aswell.

First not everyone sneaks around, or they have nerfed the heck out of sneak attack crits - like I did.

Seconds, nothing is stoping you from using both the Bozar and LMG. Can butcher any encounter with those two guns. Like Josh said - the Bozar is for straight up mag dump into a target. Not the most effiecient, but really caps are a non issue past level 10. Throw in the 25MM APW and you are king of the wastes. No sneaking either - run and gun.

The Cowboy weapons start to lose the effectiviness the instant you have to reload. The Survuvalist really struggles against high DT targets. The Bozar/LMG do not have that problem. High DT targets get AP rounds, low dt targets get HP rounds.
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Post » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:06 pm

I never did like the Bozar. Horrible weapon in my opinion, running around with a LMG & a Sniper Rifle (both with hand load rounds) is far easier.
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Post » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:57 pm

Well, i'm a guy that chooses his equipment based on how it looks rather than how it perfoms :hehe:

Which is why i've never used 9mm SMG or the Plasma Caster :blush:


Looks FTW!
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Post » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:08 pm

OK. I'm with you on that. The plasma caster is fugly.


Indeed. http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197988732882/screenshot/649870345922249927?tab=public :hehe:
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