Dagoth "Ur" - translated : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:48 pm

Over the Easter weekend, I went with my parents to an ethnic Hungarian church, and one of the stained glass windows showed the following words: Jezusz "Ur", with double dots over the "U". I asked about the meaning of the word, and was told that "Ur", placed after a name, meant about the same as "Lord" before a name in English. So, Lord Dagoth would be Dagoth Ur in Hungarian....

» Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:32 pm

Isn't Ur also German for 'Original'?

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:45 am

Not as much "Original" as "Really, really, really old" At least in Swedish.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:55 am

Im glad you found out this out for yourself. If only I had moments like this.

One must remember that Dagoth Ur's name was not always what it was.

He used to go by Voryn Dagoth, until he emerged as the leader of house dagoth, gaining the title Lord Voryn Dagoth, or essentially Dagoth Ur.

EDIT: We could potentially move this to the lore section.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:21 am

I thought it was "Dagoth #1" and the other significant Dagoths were numbered in line.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:18 am

I thought it was "Dagoth #1" and the other significant Dagoths were numbered in line.

Implying that their names are also Dunmerish for numbers or some sort of sequence?

» Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:11 pm

Implying that their names are also Dunmerish for numbers or some sort of sequence?

In ways, yes.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:35 am

I thought it was "Dagoth #1" and the other significant Dagoths were numbered in line.

In that context it would be "The First Dagoth" or Ur Dagoth. The... Progenitor? Of all Dagoths.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:32 am

In that context it would be "The First Dagoth" or Ur Dagoth. The... Progenitor? Of all Dagoths.

Well you could think of it like in Spanish when you describe something. In Spanish, you say the dog brown, instead of the brown dog.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:49 am

From "De Vermis Misteriis":
...
Ur ? city in occult sense, the object situated in some space and having limits (Borders/Walls) and Gates.

There is also Ur-dra (Nocturnal) and Ur-Tower (Adamantine Tower) in TES theology.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:23 am

From "De Vermis Misteriis":
...
Ur ? city in occult sense, the object situated in some space and having limits (Borders/Walls) and Gates.

There is also Ur-dra (Nocturnal) and Ur-Tower (Adamantine Tower) in TES theology.

Adamantine Tower was the first tower, which is how I thought "Dagoth Ur" Refers to "First Dagoth" or "Dagoth #1"

» Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:14 pm

Adamantine Tower was the first tower, which is how I thought "Dagoth Ur" Refers to "First Dagoth" or "Dagoth #1"

Hmm, it's possible. But Adamantine Tower reffered as "Zero Stone"; maybe "Ur" means something like "primordial" instead of numeral "first"?

» Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:25 pm

Hmm, it's possible. But Adamantine Tower reffered as "Zero Stone"; maybe "Ur" means something like "primordial" instead of numeral "first"?

I haven't ruled that out either. I like it.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:11 am

I thought it was the sound his followers make. Dreamers.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:59 pm

"Ur" mean "Lord"... Dagoth mean?

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:34 am

"Ur" mean "Lord"... Dagoth mean?

Dagoth = House Dagoth

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:23 am

Dagoth = House Dagoth

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Yeah, and the name "Dagoth" what it means?

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:38 am

:) ¬¬'

Yeah, and the name "Dagoth" what it means?

Mind if I answer your question with another question? What does Redoran, Hlaalu, Telvanni, and Dres mean?

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:05 am

Well if we go with the basic idea presented in http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/855475-when-dead-gods-dream/ that Dagoth Ur is dreaming perhaps then the name Dagoth comes from Conan's http://moa.dracandros.com/Dagoth_(Conan_Films).

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:03 am

Mind if I answer your question with another question? What does Redoran, Hlaalu, Telvanni, and Dres mean?

Telvanni literally means "Tower of Wing Feathers". But "Wing Feathers" is a poetic term and I do not know what it means. The other terms I do not know what I mean.

Well if we go with the basic idea presented in http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/855475-when-dead-gods-dream/ that Dagoth Ur is dreaming perhaps then the name Dagoth comes from Conan's http://moa.dracandros.com/Dagoth_(Conan_Films).

And Dagoth, the Dreaming god's name comes from Dagon, the Babylonian god of fertility.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:25 am

I just assumed Ur was a reference to the human city.