Hey, I'm no buff. I love the lore of the world of "Elder Scrolls". My first was Oblivion. Just came accross some info...Some say the skirmishes between Dwemer and Falmer (Snow Elves) became too intense and the Dwemer may have left or vanished as a result of a truce or defeat...not revealing any new info here. No spoiler. Been following the Dwarves and its more interesting than real life ancient stuffs...Anyway, the reason I post is to recommend reading "FALL OF THE SNOW PRINCE"...Anyone else have in-game books besides Calcemo of Markarth's materials?

While I agree that the Dwemer failed, I do not see why leaving behind things that would be useless in an immortal life is a failure.
"Hey, let us all become immortal and go back to before time existed! Oh yeah, and let us take with us our ruins, tales, poetry, armors, golems and automata to this timeless and immortal world, just in case!"

Or maybe I am misunderstanding? That to go back to before time existed, they must erase every sign of themselves existing, or some odd stuff like that?

Nope. As stated multiple times, the Dwemer became Numidium's shiny skin. One day the Dwemer just upped and disappeared, leaving free reign for the Falmer.

Its not really a spoiler though, its history.
Almost a decade I think since what happened to the Dwemer was explained.

I kind of think they don't explain what happened to the dwemer just to make people buy Morrowind just to find out.

That, or Bethesda honestly thinks they're going to do another "discover what happened to the dwemer" quest line a couple more games down the road, when they've got enough new players who never played Morrowind that it would actually surprise a decent chunk of the player-base.



I've never liked this explanation: it's far too literal of an explanation of what happened.

The Numidium is the vehicle of apotheosis, forged in the heart of the God of Physics, and cast of an entire race's combined souls, designed to transcend the dwemer from their "profane" physical forms back unto the "sacred" forms beyond time.

Saying they turned into the shiny armor of a big robot is far too physical and ignores the metaphysical aspect of what they were trying to accomplish entirely.

I think the point is that they didn't do it right and thus suffered the consequences of tampering with things they should have just left alone. Like it or not, it is.

No, again, I think there's no evidence they actually failed. The "shiny skin" part can just be a physical remnant of their achievement, and there is no way to know whether they succeeded or not, because where they were sending themselves, we would not be able to conceive. They move sideways through time now - their eternity was less than an instant to us that we passed over a thousand years ago, and neither can they perceive us with their perpendicular time.

Honestly, they just need to bring Yagrum Bagarn into a DLC and have him just outright say what happened.

Because I agree with Wraith_Magus. We've got the golden skin, sure, but that's barely scratching the surface of what the Dwemer were trying to accomplish.

No reason you can't go on believing what you do, but I don't think there's anymore evidence to support that they succeeded than there is that they didn't.

Yes, but all I've been saying is the inverse - that there's no more evidence to say that they failed than that they succeeded. There's no evidence either way. To say one or the other conclusively is the error I am pointing out.

Correct, but our lack of evidence in saying "this is what happened" is made up for in Dev commentary that explicitly states that the Dwenmer became the Numidium's skin.

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For someone who is hanging by the every utterance of Michael Kirkbride, your method of thought is entirely too linear, literal, and litigious.

You obviously know nothing about me nor my ideas if you think I hang on every utterance of MK. I took what was said for what it was, not everything is completely and utterly complex and evasive. Some things just are, and its of my opinion the Dwenmer are dead and gone, payed full the price of their meddling.

And they're elves, so they're the perfect substitute for Dwemer in terms of gameplay.