My opinion about Skyrim

Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:59 am

Greetings everyone, first of all I want to tell that im from Argentina, so forgive me if i have any english mistakes.

When i saw Skyrim trailer's, interviews and general info around internet it really catch my attention. I play rpg games since a really long time, including Pencil & Paper when i was younger, like D&D of Wizards or Vampire: The masquerade or Werewolf of Whitewolf.

Also i always liked a lot the Elder Scrolls saga, being my favorite game on PC, my gaming plataform as always. I see a lot of people idolatrating Morrowind, and i have to admit its a very good game, near perfection, but i liked more Daggerfall, released on 1996. I played Arena to and Oblivion to.

I just feel like if Elder Scrolls saga is going from good to worse. Im playing Skyrim and i see a lot of thing i dont like. Im not being extremist, im not saying its a bad game not even the worst. What i think, is that a good company, probably one of the best (Bethesda) is killing his reputation making a game that is actually more fitting for the regular, casual player... like the ones that defend Modern Warfare 3 to de death or so like games.

Skyrim looks good, but game system looks simply, making it more easy and less complex to play for a mayor public. I hope that my english limitation let me explain myself so far.

First i noticed is the spell system, having a spell in one hand and another on the other, or a weapon is great... but what about wearing armor, no penalty? Its all the same if i choose to make a battlemage wearing light armor, because heavy gives me more protection without any penalty. Equip spells and weapon trough menu is slower that ever, but i believe this is going to be fixed.

Next, stone sings... im taling about Mage, Thief and Warrior stones... avoiding spoilers, its doesnt feel like im really creating a character anymore if i can change my "birthsing" wherever i want. Characters are not special, they arent unique if i compare mine to yours, because you can change things that tend to be permanent.

Leveling and skills seems a little broken to me, look like they wanted to made an easier game to approach a more wide public, loosing quality product in the process. This perk system doesnt match with Elder Scrolls, its feel right to Fallout (Fallout always have them, I played all including 1 and 2, the best of them i think) but here... in Skyrim, is like just another game that haves perks, and achiviments and all that common stuff on today games.

Removing Major and Minor skill system is a big mistake, at least for me... it worked really well always, Daggerfall and Morrowind are the proof of it. This is the esence of Elder Scrolls. I even see less skills, i remember Daggerfall with running and climbing and stuff like that... characters were really complete.

Map and ambientation looks really good, though i think its a just a bit smaller that Oblivion or Morrowind... i cant compare it to Daggerfall... Daggerfall is insanely big (of course, i know that the terrain outside citys was random generated, but still great), or dungeons... Daggerfall dungeons were amazing, the best i ever seen i a game by far, Morrowind have goods ones to... Oblivion just fall down in this aspect and i cant see any really improvement in Skyrim, thouth i liked the including of puzzles.

I liked that we still have books to read, npc with life, detailed houses and citys.... all this contribute a lot to the game, and i cant say anything bad about it.

No multiplayer? Good choice to me, of course it can be fun to play Skyrim with a friend doing a co-op camping. Maybe something to add in a future DLC, but its not important at all in the Saga. I think they tried it in Battlespire but i dont like it.

I dont want to bore you, so im finishing here... anyway i cant explain my self very well because of language.

Game is good and fun to play, i dont think its linear... if i dont compare it with Daggerfall or Morrowind. I like Elder Srolls, but im trying to be mature and not just a fan boy. Im being critic.

I repeat game is good and i like it, but is a shame to see that an excelent game its loosing potential and quality.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:12 pm

Greetings everyone, first of all I want to tell that im from Argentina, so forget me if i have any english mistakes.

When i saw Skyrim trailer's, interviews and general info around internet it really catch my attention. I play rpg games since a really long time, including Pencil & Paper when i was younger, like D&D of Wizards or Vampire: The masquerade or Werewolf of Whitewolf.

Also i always liked a lot the Elder Scrolls saga, being my favorite game on PC, my gaming plataform as always. I see a lot of people idolatrating Morrowind, and i have to admit its a very good game, near perfection, but i liked more Daggerfall, released on 1996. I played Arena to and Oblivion to.

I just feel like if Elder Scrolls saga is going from good to worse. Im playing Skyrim and i see a lot of thing i dont like. Im not being extremist, im not saying its a bad game not even the worst. What i think, is that a good company, probably one of the best (Bethesda) is killing his reputation making a game that is actually more fitting for the regular, casual player... like the ones that defend Modern Warfare 3 to de death or so like games.

Skyrim looks good, but game system looks simply, making it more easy and less complex to play for a mayor public. I hope that my english limitation let me explain myself so far.

First i noticed is the spell system, having a spell in one hand and another on the other, or a weapon is great... but what about wearing armor, no penalty? Its all the same if i choose to make a battlemage wearing light armor, because heavy gives me more protection without any penalty. Equip spells and weapon trough menu is slower that ever, but i believe this is going to be fixed.

Next, stone sings... im taling about Mage, Thief and Warrior stones... avoiding spoilers, its doesnt feel like im really creating a character anymore if i can change my "birthsing" wherever i want. Characters are not special, they arent unique if i compare my to yours, because you can change things that tend to be permanent.

Leveling and skills seems a little broken to me, look like they wanted to made an easier game to approach a more wide public, loosing quality product in the process. This perk system doesnt match with Elder Scrolls, its feel right to Fallout (Fallout always have them, I played all including 1 and 2, the best of them i think) but here... in Skyrim, is like just another game that haves perks, and achiviments and all that common stuff on today games.

Removing Major and Minor skill system is a big mistake, at least for me... it worked really well always, Daggerfall and Morrowind are the proof of it. This is the esence of Elder Scrolls. I even see less skills, i remember Daggerfall with running and climbing and stuff like that... characters were really complete.

Map and ambientation looks really good, though i think its a just a bit smaller that Oblivion or Morrowind... i cant compare it to Daggerfall... Daggerfall is insanely big (of course, i know that the terrain outside citys was random generated, but still great), or dungeons... Daggerfall dungeons were amazing, the best i ever seen i a game by far, Morrowind have goods ones to... Oblivion just fall down in this aspect and i cant see any really improvement in Skyrim, thouth i liked the including of puzzles.

I liked that we still have books to read, npc with life, detailed houses and citys.... all this contribute a lot to the game, and i cant say anything bad about it.

No multiplayer? Good choice to me, of course it can be fun to play Skyrim with a friend doing a co-op camping. Maybe something to add in a future DLC, but its not important at all in the Saga. I think they tried it in Battlespire but i dont like it.

I dont want to bore you, so im finishing here... anyway i cant explain my self very well because of language.

Game is good and fun to play, i dont think its linear... if i dont compare it with Daggerfall or Morrowind. I like Elder Srolls, but im trying to be mature and not just a fan boy. Im being critic.

I repeat game is good and i like it, but is a shame to see that an excelent game its loosing potential and quality.


"
I dont want to bore you, so im finishing here..."

You could have just not made this post. That would have been a way not to bore me.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:47 am

"
I dont want to bore you, so im finishing here..."

You could have just not made this post. That would have been a way not to bore me.

You did not have to quote the entire post again, now I am twice as bored. Thanks
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:41 pm

Your comments are very constructive, thanks. Disqualify people without even talking about the game... grow up.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:46 pm

"
I dont want to bore you, so im finishing here..."

You could have just not made this post. That would have been a way not to bore me.


@ OP, don't let people like the one I quote get to you, there has been a massive influx of people who seem confused about how to be polite and constructive on a forums since the release of Skyrim. Just report them and ignore it.

As for the topic itself I guess there have to be trade-outs in modern society, even D&D is starting to try to appeal to wider audiences such as the MMORPG market by changing their pen and paper game to fit modern MMORPG gaming more and they've even released their own MMORPG. (I really should just call them MMOG′s)

And it seems it works to gain a bigger audience, in terms of finance moving away from the original concepts that drew in the small (yes, we're not as many as we like to think we are, sadly) fanbase that love this particular niche of gaming that Daggerfall and Morrowind presented us with, where every NPC could have over a hundred lines of dialogue to delve into and every container and item could be interacted with.

In Skyrim we see a lot of the older concepts making way for what appeals to modern gamers because it's just not possible to have both good graphics and have thousands of little items to load in every cell each reacting to the physics of the game all at the same time, and it's not possible to have a huge amount of NPC's when every NPC has to have voice recorded dialogue.

So I personally note the change that Bethesda has been making with each new TES game but I don't really feel like blaming them for it considering just how successful each new installment is compared to the last in terms of sales.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:38 pm

Games are changing. They will never be like they were 10 years ago. That's not a bad thing.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:37 pm

I agree completely with most of your points. Well said. :)
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:59 pm

Thanks, and i see your point. Of course grapichs are a problem when you try to make a big game, but i dont believe is the most imporant aspect of a game. See World of Warcraft , i dont play it but i know is very popular with a giant map, of course not even a half detalied compared to Skyrim, but still... the gameplay haves a mayor roleplay in the game. I know its a mmorpg. In fact, Skyrim size is incredilbe small, just 6gb?.

I think they can expand the game a lot without worring about the size of the game, or this is a limitation related with consoles (xbox ps3?) i dont have them, so i dont really know.

Bethesda takes his time to release a game, and i like it... you have to wait near the same or more to see a Fifa World Cup or play a new Elder Scrolls game.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:27 pm

Your comments are very constructive, thanks. Descalificating people without even talking about the game... grow up.


What does that word mean? Google didn't help.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:41 pm

What one? "Descalificating" sorry, i think i made it... its like... disqualify a person, talking bad about it ignoring the topic.
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