2292 to be exact, that is 15 years from Fallout 3 and 300 years from the day I was born :rolleyes:

Radiation and chaos? That's what you think that i think of Fallout? No sir, it's much more and it has a way deeper meaning than that! And instead of progress i see degeneration! Because i don't focus on the fact that humanity is in stage 1 and is just progressing. Humanity was progressed, a war happened, it was nearly destroyed and after that everyone was struggling for survival. Some tried to establish an orderly faction like NCR, some had more nefarious purposes like Enclave and the world was in total chaos and triying to stand back on its feet.
NCR was not perfect and not everyone was scrapping by through working for rich people and not everyone was under the wing of NCR more importantly.




Wow!!

The reason i'm saying all these is actually because why i have played f1 and f2 and loved them more than any other!!
Seriously, where do you guys come from, saying that fallout is about progress?

I don't think that trying to put all the broken pieces back together can be called progress!
You use the "war never changes" line yet you don't seem to grasp its meaning. Sure Fallout is about progress, it's not about the consequences and horrors of war! It's not about human nature and the nature of war!

Yea.. you know what? We should forget a war even happened! We should ask for a world with no radiation, advanced technology, eclipsed war remains,no lack of resources and just have 2-3 factions fight over the "new world". Hell, let's turn Fallout into Red Dead Redemption or -even better- Mass effect! Yea that would be great! :facepalm:

Yea sadly i'm one of the people who don't want this to happen. Shame isn't it.

Apologies, that's what you came across as.

And I mean its about progress as in the war sent civilization back to square one and they have been moving up since, there isn hardly any more radiation but they are progressing, they will eventually reach the point where they will be on par with and then beyond Pre-War civilization but not for a long time.

I want chaos but not everlasting chaos, I want chaos caused by post-war events.

It is about progress because the factions in Fallout and Fallout 2 aren't just trying to put together what was broken/destroyed in the great war. They are rebuilding, new things, forming new cultures, new ways of doing things.

They aren't trying to remake pre-war America, hell not even the Enclave in Fallout 2 were trying to do that.

The Factions are farming, mining, manufacturing and coming into conflict with one another. They aren't barely surviving on scraps of the old world, living day by day in a radioactive craphole.

Fallout 3, they have made zero progress, living in a radioactive craphole, banging rocks together, living in the past, barely surviving on scraps of the old world. If that is what you think the series is about, you are wrong.

I already told you what Fallout is about. Feel free to disagree or ask for a Red Dead Redemption/Mass effect hybrid.

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Never said it would be Red Dead Redemtion/Mass effect hybrid. Never in my time on this forum have I every wanted that.

"War, war never changes" means that the factions progress, rebuild and come into conflict with one another, end up going to war, destroy themselves and the cycle continues.

Someday in the Fallout Universe, it will end up with nations once again controlling the world, and once again fighting one another, which leads to another nuclear war. Read "A Canticle for Leibowitz."

Human nature, we build, we fight, we destroy ourselves. Fallout is about rebuiling and progress, but it is also about conflict, human nature.

I doubt Fallout as a series will ever end up as a game where there are nations controlling the world and really I don't want it to happen, but the games are the building up to that. They aren't about people doing nothing for 200 years, fighting over scraps.

Factions in Fallout and Fallout 2 are rebuilding with new materials, manufacturing new things, forming armies and farming. In short they are doing what humans do. They rebuild and thrive.

Edit: what I am getting at is that there has to be progress in Fallout 4. Farming, manufacturing, building with new materials and a real working ecenomic system. It would be stupid to once again have people living in radioactive craphole doing nothing.

So Fallout is going to become the Civilizations series?

I said there will not be a Fallout civilization game. I said that what Fallout is, its the building up to it. Someday many hundreds if not thousands of years one day the Fallout universe will have rebuilt itself and then once again destroy itself.

Until then we are seeing what happens in America/North America till then.

To pretend that humans are happy living in radioactive craphole doing nothing for 200 years, eating 200 year old food, is stupid. Do you really think thats how people would want to live?

Again Fallout and Fallout 2, hell even Fallout Tactics has people, farming, manufacturing, working economic system, they aren't sitting around doing nothing for 200 years!

This thread has gotten far off topic, I think it's time for a lock.