Towers, stones, and the Dwemer's disappearance

Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:58 am

A thought I had on a possible reason for the Dwarves' disappearance at Red Mountain...

They built their tower, Walk-Brass aka Anumidium aka Numidium, but needed a stone to activate it. Their intent was to use the Heart of Lorkhan.

But the Heart is already the stone of another tower, Red Mountain.

Could it be that trying to have one stone serving two towers at once is, to use the technical metaphysical term, a Very Bad Idea?

If this theory isn't just BS (and it probably is), then this gets one to thinking what might have happened if Dagoth Ur had finished Akulakhan...
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:28 pm

Actually, it is as good a theory as any. Nobody really knows what happened there.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:49 am

The Stone of Numidium is Mantella.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:05 pm

The Stone of Numidium is Mantella.

In Tiber's time, yes. But MI is correct in that the Dwemer originally intended to use the Heart.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:58 am

Thank goodness, thought it was going to be another "where did the dwemer go" thread.

As for your theory, I'd say it holds up.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:37 am

Thank goodness, thought it was going to be another "where did the dwemer go" thread.

Hey Seriously Where Did The Dwemmer Go?

I haven't read about Red Mountain in a while; when Kagrenac used his tools to 'activate' the Numidium or just... do something else to it?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:10 am

Their plan was ehhh not perfect and instead of transending to become the god they became its skin.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:24 pm

The skin of Numidium was the collective of Dwemereth's souls. They were incapable of fertilizing the egg inside the Brass God, because their effort for transcendence was devoid of love. Love heals opposites and brings the New Man to life. (The Egg of Time gives birth to the New Man.) In this, transcendence mimics creation. Or maybe creation mimics transcendence. They were unable to fulfill their plan, because they never learned love. At least, not those of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Nchunak%27s_Fire_and_Faith, the basis of the Numidium's architecture.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:19 am

A thought I had on a possible reason for the Dwarves' disappearance at Red Mountain...

They built their tower, Walk-Brass aka Anumidium aka Numidium, but needed a stone to activate it. Their intent was to use the Heart of Lorkhan.

But the Heart is already the stone of another tower, Red Mountain.

Could it be that trying to have one stone serving two towers at once is, to use the technical metaphysical term, a Very Bad Idea?

If this theory isn't just BS (and it probably is), then this gets one to thinking what might have happened if Dagoth Ur had finished Akulakhan...


I'm still hoping that the Dwemer sent themselves forward in time (some not making it due to the rushed process which explains the ash left in some spots on Morrowind), and one day they will re-appear in the world exactly where they left; though, some will be standing by ash instead of their friends/family (tragic and sad, I know, but the cost of such powerful magic/technology combined).

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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:11 pm

In Tiber's time, yes. But MI is correct in that the Dwemer originally intended to use the Heart.

I might be missing something, but I believe that you confused Numidium with Akhulakhan, the Dwemer intended to use Mantella not The Heart:
"Kagrenac was devoted to his people, and the Dwarves, despite what you may have read, were a pious lot-he would not have sacrificed so many of their golden souls to create Anumidum's metal body if it were all in the name of grand theater. Kagrenac had even built the tools needed to construct a Mantella, the Crux of Transcendence." -http://www.imperial-library.info/content/interviews-skeleton-man

"Tiber Septim, always fascinated by the Dwarves, has Zurin Arctus research this grand artifact. In doing so, Arctus stumbles upon some of the stories of the war at Red Mountain. He discovers the reason the Numidium was made and some of it's potential. Most importantly, he learns the Underking's place in the War. But Zurin Arctus was working from incomplete plans. He thinks it is the heart of Lorkhan's body that is needed to power the Numidium."
-http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-arcturian-heresy
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:48 am

After reaching a certain point in the Skyrim main quest I had the same idea as The Hero of Ages. An Elder Scroll is used to send someone forward in time.


Spoiler relates to the main quest.
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The Scroll in used to send the Dragon Alduin forward in time, although unintentionally.


I don't know if the scrolls existed at this time but would it be possible for the dwemer to have somehow sent their whole race forward?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:41 am

I truly hope not.

The scrolls have always existed.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:14 pm

You'd think there would be historical evidence if the Dwemer had gained access to a scroll though. At least it would have been found where it was used. Can the tool used to push them forward be pulled along with them?

Also, if it came with them, they would have been able to bring themselves back you'd think.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:28 am

You'd think there would be historical evidence if the Dwemer had gained access to a scroll though. At least it would have been found where it was used. Can the tool used to push them forward be pulled along with them?

Also, if it came with them, they would have been able to bring themselves back you'd think.


There is a Scroll in an ancient Dwemer ruin in Skyrim, and it is in a Dwemer machine, more than likely the Dwemer putting it there.

Also, with Skyrim proving it is possible to travel through time, there is now a chance that the Dwemer accidentally (or not, who knows besides them) sent themselves through time.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:56 am

There is a Scroll in an ancient Dwemer ruin in Skyrim, and it is in a Dwemer machine, more than likely the Dwemer putting it there.

Also, with Skyrim proving it is possible to travel through time, there is now a chance that the Dwemer accidentally (or not, who knows besides them) sent themselves through time.


Right now I actually think that's the best and most solid theory that can be formed as the what happened. There's definitely no way we could figure how, when, or why they will appear, if at all.

Especially thinking, how would the other races react to a reappearance of the Dwemer race after years of being missing.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:17 am

Right now I actually think that's the best and most solid theory that can be formed as the what happened. There's definitely no way we could figure how, when, or why they will appear, if at all.

Especially thinking, how would the other races react to a reappearance of the Dwemer race after years of being missing.


Pretty unknown, but for sure at first would be complete shock. It really depends on what the Dwemer would do after that.

Another thing I thought of, Skyrim confirms that travelling through time will make a rip in space/time, so there most likely would be a VERY large reprocussion which probably everyone in Tamriael would feel.
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