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» Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:44 am

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I also wouldn't understand why he would agree with the things he has agreed with. Increased security, the switching of places during the first assassination attempt... I also don't see why he would tell his guards and his chief security officer that he thought the Dark Brotherhood was still out there, even when they thought they weren't... If he trully wanted to die none of those things would have made sense.

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Expecting to die and letting it happen is not the same as suicide. The Emperor did not want the extra security and body double, as he knew the DB was after him and wouldn't be stopped. He says this when you meet him. That his chief security officer pushed for it anyway doesn't lessen the Emperor's willingness to die, it just means he didn't push for it to happen. He let his death come of its own accord. Uriel Septim was the same way. Despite knowing his death was at hand, he let things go as they naturally would (with his Blades trying to escort him to safety), until the very end.

The Empire is definitely in a precarious position though, I agree. I foresee more awful fighting in the near future.

Part of me actually wants to say that Mede purposely let the Thalmor get rid of Talos, so that he himself could stand in his place. What a better maneuver than handing the Thalmor what they want, giving them a false sense of victory, only to snatch it away at the last moment by having your own death re-solidify man's place in the mythic?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:42 am

He's not the stinkin [censored] I imagined him to be. I guess the Mede dynasty wasn't so bad. The White Gold Concordat was just buying time until round 2 anyway. Mede understands that the Thalmor won't stop until the humans are dead.

I'd say the Mede dynasty was quite impressive. Unlike Ysgrammor's heirs, Alessia's heirs, Remans and Septims, Mede's do not seem to have had Dragon Blood that gave them divine favor. Furthermore, Talos himself said in MW that maybe it is time for Empire to end so even destiny was against them. Yet Empire kinda survived for 200 more years under their leadership.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:04 pm

No, the empire fell already. The Mede Empire is another empire, not a continuation of the old one that Talos was referencing.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:32 am

No, the empire fell already. The Mede Empire is another empire, not a continuation of the old one that Talos was referencing.

A different dynasty and few provinces less are not exactly something you would call "New".

Septim and Mede Empire seem to be considered the same faction by majority of people (unless you count the forum members). Often, Empire is not always a term used for the current Monarchy but the faction that existed since the 1st Era, inherited either directly or by Divine Right (Amulet of Kings) and Conquest.