Is Alduin Akatosh or his son? : V - Skyrim

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:30 am

Yet somehow Alduin came before the rest of things that have always existed.

Where does it say that Alduin came to exist before Mundus, as opposed to simply being the first dragon?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:26 pm

Where does it say that Alduin came to exist before Mundus, as opposed to simply being the first dragon?

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Paarthurnax. Something along the lines of "He who had existed before all others, and had always been."

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:16 am

The definition I took away from the game was that Alduin was a force of the universe itself.

The 'event' by which the world ends, in the cycle onto which the new world begins.

I suppose in one way, he is the polar opposite at least in the feable minds of mortals, to Akatosh, in that Akatosh is credited with the creation of the world, and Alduin is destined to Swallow it.

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Alduin's role as the herrald of the apocalyse isnt negated by his defeat either - His soul is never consumed, and it is said by Para - that The God's may deem for him to return, to continue his work.

From this - I look at Alduin, as a Flood, or Tidal wave with teeth - not necessarilly evil, but not exactly the sort of thing you run around smiling about either.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:44 am

Well if you play the game it makes it REALLY clear.

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Alduin himself, as well as Paarthurnax, state that Alduin is the first dragon, what was supposed to be Akatosh's finest creation, however, Alduin went power-hungry and turned evil, the ancient nords fought against and devised a special shout that could make dragons feel what "mortality" is like, it basically weakened them and took away their strength to fly. Then, they used an Elder Scroll to cast Alduin away on the flow of time, he just so happens to reappear in this time, and he goes right back to trying to gain power to take over the world and raise his dragon empire back again. It's stated, right there, by Paarthurnax, a dragon (the second dragon actually), that Alduin is Akatosh's first-born dragon, he's not Akatosh himself. The Nord's who wrote tha Akatosh bible got it wrong, it's not that surprising. The end.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:08 am

On thing didnt get out of the main quest is: Why do Alduin want to comsume the world, and why does he need an army with him? He is the God of all time, but doesnt even have the power to do it all himself?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:15 am

On thing didnt get out of the main quest is: Why do Alduin want to comsume the world, and why does he need an army with him? He is the God of all time, but doesnt even have the power to do it all himself?

Because he's not the god of all time.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:06 am

Well if you play the game it makes it REALLY clear.

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Alduin himself, as well as Paarthurnax, state that Alduin is the first dragon, what was supposed to be Akatosh's finest creation, however, Alduin went power-hungry and turned evil, the ancient nords fought against and devised a special shout that could make dragons feel what "mortality" is like, it basically weakened them and took away their strength to fly. Then, they used an Elder Scroll to cast Alduin away on the flow of time, he just so happens to reappear in this time, and he goes right back to trying to gain power to take over the world and raise his dragon empire back again. It's stated, right there, by Paarthurnax, a dragon (the second dragon actually), that Alduin is Akatosh's first-born dragon, he's not Akatosh himself. The Nord's who wrote tha Akatosh bible got it wrong, it's not that surprising. The end.

It seemed pretty clear to me too.
The main issue seems to be the 'harbinger of the apocalypse' thing.
Lets be clear: Alduin has never ended a world, and it isn't written in prophecy that he ever will.
It's essentially a nickname he was given by the ancient nords due to his terrifying power of Thu'uum and his ability to

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go to Sovngarde (and eat departed souls) which is actually the dragon priests' ability to create a portal leading there.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:34 pm

But why couldn't we absorb his soul, if he was nothing more then a common Dragon?

I don't think he's dead, He's just somewhere else in time. Or we killed the mantle of a greater being.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:16 pm

It seemed pretty clear to me too.
The main issue seems to be the 'harbinger of the apocalypse' thing.
Lets be clear: Alduin has never ended a world, and it isn't written in prophecy that he ever will.
It's essentially a nickname he was given by the ancient nords due to his terrifying power of Thu'uum and his ability to

Spoiler

go to Sovngarde (and eat departed souls) which is actually the dragon priests' ability to create a portal leading there.

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No. Alduin's connection to the kalpa is made very clear by Paarthurnax.

Dragons can't see what happens if Alduin wins. He ends Time. Alduin Time-Eater..

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:53 am

Akatosh created the world and Alduin comes to destroy it, only for Akatosh to create a new one, and Alduin to destroy that, etc. etc. etc.

Lol sounds like Sheogorath and Jyggalag

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:03 pm

From the UESP article on Akatosh:

Seems like they're the same, some kind of dual god?

Jyggalag/Sheogorath, dual daedra :3 So why not?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:22 am

Yeah ill go with the game on this one. Instead of wikipedia. Even parthurnaax says it and that hes alduins little brother. He states alduin was supposed to guard the world (kind of like deathwing from wow) but went power hungry and abused his strength and needs to be put down. Really all dragons are the children of akatosh. Like all humans are the children of god, so alduin = jesus is a logical conclusion.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:51 am

I believe that Alduin is the firstborn son of Akatosh, he himself tells you that, as does Odhaviing at the end of the game.
In a way he may be considered a part of Akatosh, a wayward fragment, but I don't believe them to be the same entity.

Yeah, I came too this conclution myself.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:04 am

Don't know if anyone has read this book yet, but...http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Alduin_is_Real

Sorry if it's already been linked, but I think it concludes this argument nicely. I think a copy of the book can be found in Jorravskr.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:08 am

Don't know if anyone has read this book yet, but...http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Alduin_is_Real

Sorry if it's already been linked, but I think it concludes this argument nicely. I think a copy of the book can be found in Jorravskr.

That author seems as factual as a child over the internet calling me a "stupit" "ratard" if you get my drift.