Was browsing the forums for information regarding a number of topics, one of them being necromancy. Considering Mannimarco seems to have ascended as a celestial body (a moon of Arkay), as some have pointed out, would he be technically be considered a self-made Aedroth?

If this is so, and mortals are able to transcend, much like the myth of the human Arkay, is it also possible for Aedra to separate themselves from Mundas and return to their Daedric origins? This seems to be the case in Boethiah's corruption of the Aedroth Trinimac, forming Malacath. (Also, see Meridia.)

For me, it doesn't seem much of a jump to go between the two, considering we've had two confirmed cases of mortals transcending into Daedra: Umaril and Sheogorath. If the Thalmor are so obsessed with immortality and power, it's surprising they haven't considered this route. I suppose one argument might be that, since Daedra bear the curse of extremes/obsession, they are certainly less "human" than the Aedra, and that the Thalmor demand immortality and immutability--the stasis of personality that defines the Divines. In all likelihood, however, they'll probably go the way of the Dwemer...

Feedback is greatly appreciated.

Mannimarco is not an Aedra, because he did not participate in the creation of Mundus.

The Aedra were never Daedra.

The modern divisions of Aedra, Daedra, and Magne-ge are a result of creation. Before Mundus, everyone was just an et'ada.

A simple definition would be:

Aedra: participated in creation of Mundus

Daedra: Didn't participate and reside in oblivion.

Magne-ge: fled creation and reside in Aetherius.

On a minor note, Arkay was never what one may rightly call a human. He was present before creation, he just didn't have a role.

I'm actually beginning to consider whether it's the norm for Daedra to have come from 'mortals' in some fashion or another. We already have the pretext for it amongst various Daedra, and the Boethia letters greatly hint that direction as well.

Though by that set of rules Malacath is an Aedra, given that he's just a transformed Trinimac.

As the book Aedra and Daedra notes, the 'ancestors'/'not our ancestors' are only rough translations, they're not just exactly that (as we come to see more and more as the series progresses).

These are good points, but I wonder if these divisions are perhaps more fluid than what we accept from the creation myth(s). Mannimarco certainly did not contribute to creation, yet he commands his own celestial sphere within Mundus, an aspect which is absent in any other category of divines, (if we accept that the sun and stars are the "wounds" or tears of Aetherius, of course.) After his Daedric corruption, Malacath was empowered to manufacture his own realm of Oblivion, the Ashpits, (and the Ogrim) and treats more openly with his subjects than is possible with the Divines. He and his subjects are capable of being banished from Mundus, meaning their essences are not tethered to Mundus. They have Protonymics, etc.

Apart from their philosophical split at creation, who is to say Azura, in her love for her people, couldn't sacrifice her Daedric wholeness to come into being as a new Aedroth?
Also, considering the mortal races themselves are devolved/diluted Aedra, how did the Champion of Cyrodiil later ascend to Sheogorath?

some of the other crap that i see spill out of this forum is just people overthinking stuff. This is actually a legitimate question though.

Mannimarco is an ascended mortal, much like Talos. Except he's his own planet, instead of a hijack with Talos to Shezarr.

Tiny planet around major one... Perhaps Talos is to Secunda is to Lorkhan what Mannimarco is to the Necromancer's Moon is to Arkay?

Sounds about right

The nine are our ancestors
Most of the Daedra and Magna-Ge are like our great aunt's husband's cousin
Manni and Trini are like our cousins

The nine and Manni live in the Mundus, but outside of Nirn
The Daedra and Trini live in Oblivion
The Magna-Ge live in Aethurius