My god, you're right. This argument does make no sense because we can't argue by our values, since it's not our world. We are the way we are because we were raised this way. Not that way.

Conclusion:
Enclave is evil argument = Old/Pointless

Kept me occupied for a good bit, though.

Here is the truth. Black Isle Studios and Bethesda made the Enclave evil antagonists. Therefore, they are evil antagonists.

So now you decide to judge them based on the game? Make up your mind, man!

In my game, they're not evil. In your game, different story. Hurray.

In lore, they are evil. Canonly, they are evil. People try to anolyze it too much. What Bethesda says goes, and Bethesda says they are evil. They were always meant to be evil, but people think that what they say is more canon than what Bethesda says.

Well, in my game they're not evil. In my game I'm Batman. Just because I don't think they're evil doesn't mean it changes the lore. My opinion has nothing to do with the lore because it's how I play. You want my opinion? There it is. It doesn't magically change the lore.


PS: Bethesda also shows Autumn as humane

70% of the people think that they are evil or at least kind of evil and only 30% think that they are not. They are not only evil, they are losers as well.

That's the trolling spirit! way to skip 11 pages of an argument.

Bethesda shows Autumn as more humane than Eden, but Autumn is still a murderer who spits on wastelanders.

If I was an average wastelander, and I had a choice, I'd prefer the BOS to Autumn's Enclave. However, wichever faction ruled, my life would probably improve. After all, I wouldn't have to worry about dying of hunger/thirst anymore, nor would I have to worry about being enslaved by slavers or being ass-[censored] by super mutants

I could get into the war time soldier argument all over again. He's also shown as a person who doesn't want to see the wastelanders die, and would rather gain their trust. Seems pretty gray to me. Dark gray, if you want.

Also: your character is a murderer.

If you bother to read the previous pages, you will see that I was into this topic well before you turned up.

Calling your opponent "losers" isn't part of an intellectual debate. That's just trolling. You're craving for a response. You being here before gives you no right to resort to that.

Autumn is one person with a few soldiers following him. He doesn't represent the Enclave in any way. Still, he is a murderer.

So are you.


I THOUGHT WE CONCLUDED THIS AS OLD/POINTLESS.

Do you just want to win and not come at a "cease fire"?

Can't we just agree to disagree? People are always going to have opinions. Why do you care what I think? How does it affect you? I don't bring this stuff up.

Hey, I'm not done with you yet. I responded to your replies, they're on page 8! Read them. Please?

I associate with with action and their intention (their mean of rid of radiation involve killings of many people even with a tiniest amount of radiation). I do not really care about the "Karma" system and I do not need that to tell me whats good and whats bad.


Its a experiences of what any bad guy will think up. They think they are the good guys.


Ummm, if that the case, then there will be no need for an huge assault to the purifier and rather, just talk face to face.

And PC-wise, that really all depend on who and how they play it. I rather doubt he a murderer if a bunch of people try to kill him/her first.

Since when am I a murderer?

i believe he as calling the enclave losers.

This thread is past 200 and has turned sour, please do not restart it.