On Boethiah's Summoning Day

Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:09 pm

So...does this mean Jygallag is connected to the rise of the Thalmor?

Like qrs notes he's not connecting the two directly, but simply acknowledging them both as foreboding some major shifts and [at least in the case of Jyggalag] of being echoes in form of what's coming.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:59 am

Not so much Jyggalag touched with the Thalmor, but that both of them, along with all the climactic events of the 3rd Era's ending, are ripples of the 4th Era's terror. Sounds, echoes, and ripples on the cosmic order of existence and [time]. Something is coming.

I may have to re-read all these letters and the 12-page responses just to come up with a smarter answer, but these letters take place just a few years after the Oblivion Crisis. TES5: Skyrim won't happen for almost another 200 years. The author is trying to convince his friend that the Time Dragon of Order is unleashed. That the Nords were right, and that Alduin is coming. The Crisis, The Greymarch, Umaril Unfeathered, the empowering Dominion -- ripples that the Dragon is returning.

At the moment, the responder is concerned for the author's wellbeing (Battlespire happened like fifty years ago. Dagon had imprisoned the author for centuries before that). Yet the author, trapped up in the "timeless" limbo of Dagon's godgravity, saw the incredible mess that hit Tamriel. The author only realized that he returned to our reality a bit early; the dragons are yet to come.

Feel free to correct me. 12 paaaages.


Thanks for that; I hate to be the guy to ask for a tl;dr. Care to elaborate on anything else? ;)
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:59 am

So what is Talos' relationship to Alduin, more specifically the coming of a new kalpa? He's clearly holding it back but why? Self-preservation? The very nature of his existence allows him to do nothing but hold it back?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:44 am

So what is Talos' relationship to Alduin, more specifically the coming of a new kalpa? He's clearly holding it back but why? Self-preservation? The very nature of his existence allows him to do nothing but hold it back?

Chimere seems to suggest that Nirn can achieve some sort of transcendence or fulfillment if allowed to progress as opposed to restarting. Makes sense, the world was made by Lorkhan as an attempt at transcendence to start with. Talos seems to be the agent striving to let Nirn reach its true potential before somebody up and hits the reset button out of frustration.

It'd be like if every time you reached a hard or stagnant part in the game you started over. Talos is the guy telling you to stick it out, because the best parts are yet to come.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:30 pm

Holy crap this is incredibly cool. I'm really glad to have stumbled upon this even so long after release! :D

*Goes and begins to read whole thread...*
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:54 pm

I just finished! What a great read! :)

A few questions still remain for me though... What were the Aedra of the previous kalpa and what will the Aedra of this kalpa become? Also, how does a kalpa begin / end?

Sorry if these are basic questions. I need to buff up on my lore after reading through this! :P
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:51 pm

I just finished! What a great read! :)

A few questions still remain for me though... What were the Aedra of the previous kalpa and what will the Aedra of this kalpa become? Also, how does a kalpa begin / end?

Sorry if these are basic questions. I need to buff up on my lore after reading through this! :P

Those are good questions, they're pretty open for speculation.

For instance how many kalpas back do we have to go before we hit the original scenario of the Monomyth. Without knowing this it's hard to say for sure what the Aedra of the previous kalpa were, apart from presumably the Daedra of the one before that. As for what the Aedra of this one become, that's another good question. Perhaps they die along with it, perhaps they transcend to Aetherius before or during the transition (I would bet on during, based on their role as parents being completed).

The kalpa ends with Alduin eating it, at least that's the one sure way we know of. From this it begins whrn the previous Daedra pick up the pieces or put back the old pieces they saved or contribute their own pieces.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:25 pm

I suppose the original source is always in the interplay between Anu and Padomay, like in The Anuad. As long as there is the SuperCosmicDreamingGodhead, there will be new ideas. An et'ada may change in substance and vanish, but their "idea in the Dream" remain. Maybe these new gods (idea-births) will succeed the former Daedra's places.

Come to think of it, many point out the Daedra as wilder or extreme counterparts to the Aedra. I think the author mentions love and romance. During this current Kalpa, the Daedra are always meddling in the lives of mortals. Moreso than the Divines, one might believe. Mundus becomes a testing ground (not only for the Lorkhan Instrumentality Project) for the current Daedra. The Daedra refused Mundus at first because they did not yet know Love, Sacrifice, and Possibility.

The Aedra, as Princes of the former Universe, learned this already. They know Mundus can be worthwhile, and give parts of themselves, along with souvenirs of their old kalpa. Granted, Lorkhan's plan never succeeds entirely; the desired Possibility may-or-may-not include the Aedra. The strongest Prince, their King, punishes Lorkhan. The kalpa continues, with the mortal et'ada playing by Lorkhan's rules, trying to transcend the Cycle and kiss the Dreamer. The young, unruly daedra watch, learn, practice, and experiment; they watch as their forebears struggle for Something Higher. Finally, at the turn of the kalpa, the Dragon King roars in his death-throes; Nirn's earthbones shatter under her own weight.

Like a sandworm exploding in water, Nirn's collapse releases the Gray Maybe back into the Supercosmos. The influx of thoughts gives the Dreamer something to chew on; these ideas are not "new," but they birthe life. They become alive and become et'ada. They are wild and young, and they are Daedra.

One "day", a young god named [Lorkhan] gets a fantastic idea. The young Princes laugh and scoff. Why should we sacrifice ourselves for Love?

They turn and see the Old Royalty agree to [Lorkhan]'s plan....

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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:06 pm

Does anybody have a book or resource for the Nord or Imperial cration myths? I know my Merish pretty well, but aside from a passing knowledge about the Yokudan story I know nothing of how Men say it happened.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:00 pm

Does anybody have a book or resource for the Nord or Imperial cration myths? I know my Merish pretty well, but aside from a passing knowledge about the Yokudan story I know nothing of how Men say it happened.

The Monomyth is what you want, specifically http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-monomyth-cyrodiilic-shezarrs-song.

As for the Nords, check out http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fight-one-eating-birth-dagon
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:26 pm

...Mundus becomes a testing ground (not only for the Lorkhan Instrumentality Project) for the current Daedra.


I see what you did there.

Hurry up, Evangelion 3.33!
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:15 pm

Does this mean Vivec is Skhinji Ikari?
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