Talos: Hero or Villain?

Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:52 pm

Except the cyclic nature isn't a necessity, it doesn't have to happen.

My suggestion, read a science book instead of Wikipedia.


Are you really so arrogant that you believe we humans with our current technology can say anything with certainty about how the universe works on a whole? Wikipedia as a source wasnt really needed. Again Im not comming here stating facts, im sceptical to everything.

Anyway back to TES.

"Hell" wasnt really a proper methaphor when it comes to TES imo, Ill admit, but consider this:

1: You are born and develop knowledge, wisdom and personality. Then you die.
2: Reborn, same as above. Indefinetely.

There is no progress or natural evlution here either. And I dont see the difference between living like this and the people in the cave, as with wraiths video. Thing is: There is no "getting better" or "progress" just endless repetition. Meaning you as a person/object - only lives as a bottle to be filled, and crushed, filled, and crushed, filled, and crushed.

This also means any achievements or action performed in life is meaningless. Basicly "good and evil" doesent exist in such a world because no action or inaction has any actual consequense.

Edit: Point being, if the world in TES really is the eternal prison it seems to be, without any real progress or way to stop it, ending it wont be any more good or evil as any other action. In a world where nothing has real consequense and each individual is living blindfolded - everyone is just as much a victim. Im not a loremaster, but if the gods can (If they actually have the ability) share their power and make people immortal. That would make life have worth because you can then develop and progress to a state of utopia. If the goal of an utopia cannot be reached (as in not possible) then the world has no meaning. Well other that to live in eternal blindness and live meaningless lives filled with pain and strife ofcourse...
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:32 pm

Are you really so arrogant that you believe we humans with our current technology can say anything with certainty about how the universe works on a whole? Wikipedia as a source wasnt really needed. Again Im not comming here stating facts, im sceptical to everything.

Anyway back to TES.

"Hell" wasnt really a proper methaphor when it comes to TES imo, Ill admit, but consider this:

1: You are born and develop knowledge, wisdom and personality. Then you die.
2: Reborn, same as above. Indefinetely.

There is no progress or natural evlution here either. And I dont see the difference between living like this and the people in the cave, as with wraiths video. Thing is: There is no "getting better" or "progress" just endless repetition. Meaning you as a person/object - only lives as a bottle to be filled, and crushed, filled, and crushed, filled, and crushed.

This also means any achievements or action performed in life is meaningless. Basicly "good and evil" doesent exist in such a world because no action or inaction has any actual consequense.



You're only born until you figure out the admin password. Lorkhan hid bits and pieces of it throughout his body(s), and left out the final letter so that each person could learn to take heaven by violence in his or her own way and in his or her own time.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:27 am

1: You are born and develop knowledge, wisdom and personality. Then you die.
2: Reborn, same as above. Indefinetely.

There is no progress or natural evlution here either. And I dont see the difference between living like this and the people in the cave, as with wraiths video. Thing is: There is no "getting better" or "progress" just endless repetition. Meaning you as a person/object - only lives as a bottle to be filled, and crushed, filled, and crushed, filled, and crushed.

This also means any achievements or action performed in life is meaningless. Basicly "good and evil" doesent exist in such a world because no action or inaction has any actual consequense.

Edit: Point being, if the world in TES really is the eternal prison it seems to be, without any real progress or way to stop it, ending it wont be any more good or evil as any other action. In a world where nothing has real consequense and each individual is living blindfolded - everyone is just as much a victim. Im not a loremaster, but if the gods can (If they actually have the ability) share their power and make people immortal. That would make life have worth because you can then develop and progress to a state of utopia. If the goal of an utopia cannot be reached (as in not possible) then the world has no meaning. Well other that to live in eternal blindness and live meaningless lives filled with pain and strife ofcourse...


I don't know, at least I've never seen it, but reincarnation isn't a part of the TES scenario. There IS progress and natural evolution. Example: Bretons gaining mer blood through history. Actions in life aren't meaningless as people within the TES scope act for future generations, their own afterlives, and for thrill and power in the now. I've seen in other threads on this Lore board the discussion that Lorkhan's plan and the cyclic nature of the kalpa is to improve each time. Mortals rise up as gods and the cycles moves on, advancing. That's how I understood it at least.

The Thalmor aren't shooting for a "Utopia" as we see it, they want to return to Oneness with divinity like they believe they were before Lorkhan's trickery in creation.

That's all ignoring you scraping your own personal views across the Lore as well...
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:31 am

The way I see it Talos keeps the world going. That makes him a hero in my book.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:27 pm

I think they were referring to the Talos cult operating out of the Legion fort in Gnisis.


Yeah, that's pretty much our only other real interaction with the Talos Cult in the games, since Oblivion never really touched on it.
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