The Thalmor

Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:23 pm

Nerevarine is the wild card, I think.


Sorry to break it to you, but the Nerevarine didn't got to Akavir. That's just Heartlander gossip. The Incarnate actually got sloppy drunk on sujamma at the South Wall one night. Then while stumbling through a dark alley while trying to find the way to the Silt-Strider station (fellow patrons, when questioned reported that the inebriated adventurer kept slurring something about a quote "really [censored] funny joke that he had to tell Vivec"), got rolled by a bunch of young Skooma-fiends just humming for precious sugar-money. The Hero who slew Dagoth Ur, Almalexia, and bested Hircine met his bitter end atop a trash-heap in Balmora, with a Chitin knife stuck in his kidneys.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:38 am

Sorry to break it to you, but the Nerevarine didn't got to Akavir. That's just Heartlander gossip. The Incarnate actually got sloppy drunk on sujamma at the South Wall one night. Then while stumbling through a dark alley while trying to find the way to the Silt-Strider station (fellow patrons, when questioned reported that the inebriated adventurer kept slurring something about a quote "really [censored] funny joke that he had to tell Vivec"), got rolled by a bunch of young Skooma-fiends just humming for precious sugar-money. The Hero who slew Dagoth Ur, Almalexia, and bested Hircine met his bitter end atop a trash-heap in Balmora, with a Chitin knife stuck in his kidneys.



What a way to go...
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:20 am

The Thalmor does win, to a degree. Come ride with me in my time-bending spaceship in TES: VII?


Most of those terms are related to Vivec or Talos, suggesting that what happens is more or less the opposite of what the Thalmor desire. Altmer do not desire CHIM, and the Psijic Order (which has similar, though less violent, goals as the Altmer) think CHIM is "wrong-headed." Dunmer veneration of said concepts stem from the fact that Altmer disliked them.

And that's all post Landfall, which is apparently something that must be avoided.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:01 pm

If Thalmor win it'll be a reverse of the empire with Elves as the oppressors and humans as their slaves... Like they were in High Rock (as in the woman of high rock being used as six slaves and as a result the Bretons to this day have some elven genetics absorbed into their race).

Like in all good sagas the good will win and will bring down the rule of the tyrants. Like the Empire in the Star Wars winning but eventually loosing to the rebel alliance in the end. Like Hitler's well equipped Nazis nearly taking the world but eventually loosing to the stubborn allies.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:13 pm

I suspect the Thalmor will not make much progress, else TES VI would end up giving Altmer far too many advantages compared to the other races. Morrowind and Skyrim also had racism that gave advantages to being a Dunmer and Nord, respectively, but even the Dunmer at their worst weren't as bad as the Thalmor.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:38 pm

Sorry to break it to you, but the Nerevarine didn't got to Akavir. That's just Heartlander gossip. The Incarnate actually got sloppy drunk on sujamma at the South Wall one night. Then while stumbling through a dark alley while trying to find the way to the Silt-Strider station (fellow patrons, when questioned reported that the inebriated adventurer kept slurring something about a quote "really [censored] funny joke that he had to tell Vivec"), got rolled by a bunch of young Skooma-fiends just humming for precious sugar-money. The Hero who slew Dagoth Ur, Almalexia, and bested Hircine met his bitter end atop a trash-heap in Balmora, with a Chitin knife stuck in his kidneys.

What? Nah man, The nerevarine died at Tel Uvirith. He was conducting an experiment on converting mundane morpholiths into more exotic variants through infusions of a daedra's animus, when whaddya know, red mountain erupts. He didn't notice a thing, until he realized that his morpholiths were suffering the effects of high temperatures. He looked around a bit, and boom, turns out his tower was on fire, toppled over, and lava was pouring in from one of the walls. How he failed to notice is anybody's guess, but since he wasn't wearing his full set of the armor of lava-swimming, the lava ended up winning that encounter.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:28 pm

If Thalmor win it'll be a reverse of the empire with Elves as the oppressors and humans as their slaves... Like they were in High Rock (as in the woman of high rock being used as six slaves and as a result the Bretons to this day have some elven genetics absorbed into their race).

Like in all good sagas the good will win and will bring down the rule of the tyrants. Like the Empire in the Star Wars winning but eventually loosing to the rebel alliance in the end. Like Hitler's well equipped Nazis nearly taking the world but eventually loosing to the stubborn allies.


To truly become god, one must be a rebel and a king.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:05 pm

The thing to remember in TES V is that the legendary Talos who the Stormcloaks idolise was actually the root of the Imperial rule. The Stormcloaks should have tried to lead the Imperials as opposed to fight them. As a result they have weakened the Empire and have made it possible for the Elves to become stronger - their true enemies.

The Imperials allowed equality. It was Dunmer who had slavery and Nords who did not show hospitality. The Khajiit who fought against the Bosmer etc etc.

If the Thalmor become more powerful and take the reign, then the Imperials will become the rebels fighting for freedom and equality - clever plot of good over evil as all classic war series are. Simple but effective
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:01 am

I don't think anyone will argue the misguided actions taken by the Stormcloaks in game insofar as splitting the Empire and diverting its attention.

Right?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:56 am

The Imperials allowed equality. It was Dunmer who had slavery and Nords who did not show hospitality. The Khajiit who fought against the Bosmer etc etc.


Cyrodiil did NOTHING as Morrowind was getting mutilated. Only Windhelm showed bigotry, and that's implied to be recent under Ulfric. Skyrim invited the Dunmer there in the first place, and Solsthiem gets along just fine with the Dunmer.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:28 pm

If the Thalmor become more powerful and take the reign, then the Imperials will become the rebels fighting for freedom and equality - clever plot of good over evil as all classic war series are. Simple but effective


Clever nothing. Moral absolutes are never clever. Good and Evil are determined by desires and needs. The Thalmor wanna' escape this rock, ergo those Talosists are like black-mass satanists. Oh, but men, the just gotta survive, so the Thalmor are no friends to them. The old Septim Empire was good from a utilitarian perspective, the most material good for the greatest number of Ehlnofey (and Lizards), but from the Altmeri orthodox view which by its very nature encourages exclusion and stratification, that kind of low-gnosis-housing ruins the whole subgradient-neighborhood.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:02 pm

I don't think anyone will argue the misguided actions taken by the Stormcloaks in game insofar as splitting the Empire and diverting its attention.

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I agree. Which is why I supported the Stormcloaks to weaken the Empire further.

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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:29 am

Clever nothing. Moral absolutes are never clever. Good and Evil are determined by desires and needs. The Thalmor wanna' escape this rock, ergo those Talosists are like black-mass satanists. Oh, but men, the just gotta survive, so the Thalmor are no friends to them. The old Septim Empire was good from a utilitarian perspective, the most material good for the greatest number of Ehlnofey (and Lizards), but from the Altmeri orthodox view which by its very nature encourages exclusion and stratification, that kind of low-gnosis-housing ruins the whole subgradient-neighborhood.

Let's review the Thalmor in detail. They want to eliminate several races altogether. They assassinate Altmer for opposing or speaking out against them, and they've purged countless Altmer and Bosmer for likely the same reason as well as to maintain some sort of racial "purity". They deceived their current allies into seeing them as saviors, and they started a war to ban worship of a god. Now they're working to weaken the Empire further, as
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they engineered the Stormcloak rebellion
presumably so they can break their own ceasefire and crush the man races more thoroughly. And they wear stylish outfits and armor. In other words, they're fantasy Nazis.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:48 am

In other words, they're fantasy Nazis.


But the nazis were just following orders!

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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:53 pm

A rumor says the Nerevarine went to Akavir. No one knows if for sure if he/she even went there.
Mine is vacationing there, and getting a scales tanned. Also, he plans on turning a part of it into a leper colony.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:00 pm

Cyrodiil did NOTHING as Morrowind was getting mutilated. Only Windhelm showed bigotry, and that's implied to be recent under Ulfric. Skyrim invited the Dunmer there in the first place, and Solsthiem gets along just fine with the Dunmer.


Actually no, the bigotry shown to Dunmer in Windhelm is more because the Dunmer there are selfish snobs who expected Skyrim to take them in and cater to their every need immediately. Also, they only settled in Windhelm because it was the first town out of Morrowind. I'm not saying there aren't racists to Dunmer in Windhelm (You meet one right inside the gate), but they aren't a poor, oppressed population; they're just a lazy one.

If a fresh off the boat from Summerset Altmer can come to Windhelm and settle in (And yeah, Thalmor Spy senses tingling), then there really is no reason the Dunmer couldn't have also bettered their station. Besides, the Dunmer don't even care about the serial murders in Windhelm because "none of the victims have been Dunmer".

Stupid Dark Elves and their Superiority Complex. I KILLED YOUR GODS!

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*ahem*

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As for the Thalmor, their ultimate goals have yet to be discovered. I mean, the whole Great War was started mainly as a diversion so the Thalmor could conquer Hammerfell. They're obviously looking for something. It would be interesting to know what.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:40 pm


Stupid Dark Elves and their Superiority Complex. I KILLED YOUR GODS!



Altmer view themselves as superior; Dunmer just view everybody else as inferior.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:57 pm

Unfortunately we know the "Thalmor" not the Altmer want to reverse the process. I've turned over a new leaf I wish to not generalise all Altmer as "Dirty Mer-Folk". But that is a different topic already. Anyways, on topic I shall continue.

We know the... "Thalmor" want to pull a Dwemer and dissapear into the nothingness. We know they want to go back before Lorkhan "tricked" the rest of the Gods into creating the world. But we really knwo nothing about it, we know tehy have to eliminate the worship of Shor/Talos/Ysmir/ any other name you can call one person. But we don't know the other details, do they plan on commiting the simple genocide on Mannish cultures, what about Lizards, and Cats? Do they need to get to Lorkhans heart in Red Mountain like the Dwemer did? DO they need a construct like the Dwemer? Do they need certain other components, like why did they take Hammerfell and try to take High Rock? There is just too much to it I don't see it possible/ And if their plan comes to fruition then there will be no more Elder Scrolls games. So sad face.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:09 pm

Besides, we all know who the real glorious master race is.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:00 pm

Nords right?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:06 pm

Hist, followed by Saxhleel, followed by Mudcrabs.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:51 am

How could I have been so blind?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:29 pm

We all learn sooner or later, comrade. I love your icon, btw.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:29 pm

Star wars, Empire triumphant, Good over Evil, Not so Clear at times


An aside: in the expanded universe, The Empire may have formed to
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combat against their version of the Oblivion Crisis, complete with Forceproof bioplated Dremora.

Possibly acting under incredible Sithguided foresight, [Emperor Palpatine][Darth Sidious]'s leadership allowed the galaxy to consolidate its military strength ahead of time. The Empire fell, yes, but the arms and infrastructure that remained became very, very valuable and necessary during the Crisis.


Of course, the Empire was quite oppressive and heavyhanded, and that's evil bad not nice.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:05 pm

Besides, we all know who the real glorious master race is.

Yeah. PC gamers :P

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Disclaimer: Crimson Paladin does does not mean to imply that console players are inferior in any way. It's a joke. He also does not condone or encourage console warring on the BSGF.

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