Daggerfall dialog was awesome
And...I dont agree with some here.I think skyrim feels more like morrowind then oblivion.love skyrim,one of the best games i have played

I miss my boots of blinding speed!!

I could tell you played WoW from your original post, actually, because you cited it as a potential avenue for true roleplaying. I took your meaning, but it seemed you had your sense of what "proper gamers" do and considered anything else not simply a difference of opinion, but outright stupid. You criticize others who call players like you a noob for attempting to figure out the strategy on your own—and, indeed, those people deserve the criticism. But then you turn around and do that very thing to the other side. Never mind that people play WoW for different reasons: some for intellectual challenge, some for social interaction, some for the competition, some for easy downtime. I say as long as you have a guild of like-minded folks, do your thing and let others be. It sounded like you were setting out to bend others to your brand of gaming by insulting those who differ. My point was simply that that mindset can be counter-productive to discussion. Given your reply, I can restate my point thus: you should strive not to become the thing you hate.

You said you dislike replying to posts such as mine, so I won't trouble you further. Have a pleasant day.

Mega Man is a great game.

Wow. So there are really others out there? I wonder if I still have the maps around that I drew out I loved BT series back in those days, but I think Realms of Arkania was better wrt party based CRPGs. I haven't tried any new ones, as 1st person is the only way to go for me now. But I have to say that wrt content, nothing yet beats Skyrim. The poor fact is, it doesn't really have any competitors either (1st person is an absolute must).

My list:
1. Elite 2 Frontier Not an RPG in the traditional sense, requiring a lot of brains to play it like one. But it had flat out the biggest area to explore of any games I ever played, including Daggerfall which is tiny in comparison
2. Realms of Arkania. Just take a look at the rule sets and skills. It's amazing what could be done when you don't have to provide content for it.
3. OFP and Arma. I know, milsim shooter, not an RPG at all. But I still like to "roleplay" in it Most played modern game. As like BGS games have no competition in the RPG department for my kind of gaming, BIS games have no competition in the "shooter" area.
4. Daggerfall. Even bigger than Realms of Arkania, but only because everything was in true 3D. If I disregard everything that was wrong with it (a lot, like exploits and bugs and poorly thought out rule sets), what remained was a master piece. Bunch of randomness too it, perfectly suitable for those of us who doesn't need to rush through a game (even if somewhat repetitive at times), and a rather complex MQ and way it was told. High feel of middle ages, which I like, to the point of having rather massive cities.
5. Skyrim. It gets this high only because of the amount of content. Not even done with the main quest yet, which so far have a really cool story. I just wish it was told better with more twists and turns like in Daggerfall.
6. Fallout New Vegas.
7. Bard Tale I guess.
8. Fallout 3. Sorry, never played 1 and 2.
9. Oblivion. It's biggest problem was lack of land mass to support the much content it had (which wasn't very varied).
10. Morrowind. I really don't understand what made this game so popular. Too high fantasy/alien for me, so I couldn't relate at all to anything. Kinda nice story, but only if you grasped everything that was not handed to you on a silver platter. It was linear as hell MQ wise, and have been since.

Oh yeah, and I'm past 40 as well.

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I really disagree with a few points you make OP.

First of all, Oblivion's UI was horrible. Especially the inventory, which showed a grand total of 6 items at a time. Yeah, 6. That's completely insane for a TES game with the amount of items you can carry with you at any given time.



I'll deal with this as it is raised quite a bit in the thread. Of course it was all subjective, hence the subtitle, but of the three games named it had the easiest for a PC user to shortcut into whilst still being on top of WASD and the mouse. The latest patch seems to have cleared the "laggy" feel that it had to some extent and I'm sure it'll continue. The number of times I overkilled someone I was just trying to get to give up...

Changing the subject- it was interesting to see the Ultima series mentioned. Ultima 9 gave you RPG choices where you could kill the 'bad' guy or redeem him/her. The game world warped around these choices. I also liked the tarot card way of establishing the user's personality right at the start (I was ever so humble- and ended up with a weapon that was anything but!). The puzzles needed some thought and skill- remember the phase spider prison? In and out of phase until you worked out how to leave enough doors open to escape. Fiendishly simple and yet also engaging. How old is that game now?

Of course, the only extreme role-play experience available has traditionally been through PBM- but since Hungerford when Michael Ryan hunted 'Terrans' down for real I've never been able to stomach cyber-punk or even modern scenarios- hence my obsession with the more distant lands of past worlds. Role play is about taking on another role- but never let the monster thus created control the person!


But I digress. Let's be positive and look forward to games with engaging scenarios, excellent graphics, deep, authentic cultures, the chance of failure and the whiff of challenge and satisfaction at having found a way around it. I love Skyrim- I just lament that all that care and attention has been let down, for me, by thin quest lines and lack of options. Non-Nords joining the Stormcloaks? The opportunities for such plots were potentially endless...

I choose Skyrim. I played Morrowind and all the earlier RPGs. But Skyrim just blew everything away.

A few comments here: Your "perfect RPG' isn't realistic from a marketing standpoint. Games need to generate money, and to generate money from video games they need to make games that appeal to (most) ages. Make a game overly complicated, and you're shutting out a good percentage of your potential market. I do agree that Skyrim could have gone for a little bit more complexity and strategy, but on the whole I think they did a fantastic job. Also, as a WoW player, I'm going to hammer away at your arrogant comments as they appear. WoW is, by any standard, a ridiculously steep learning curve for a new player and totally overwhelming. If you're actually suggesting that the Elder Scrolls are more complicated than WoW, then... well... "wow." Raid bosses in WoW were actually hard, needing an entire team of players who were forced to interact in order to bring it down. I can tell you've never played WoW and you're hanging on to obscure stereotypes you've read online.



This sounds like a throw back to the Baldur's Gate / D&D days where you actually choose your alignment. If you think about it, you're simply asking for restriction on the player here which is the opposite of what TES games stand for. If feel like you should work out your evil side before you become a sellsword, then by all means do it. I play my rouge as a "chaotic neutral" character, and I'm careful to make decisions spur of the moment and not based on any greater good or greater evil. If you need restrictions, restrict yourself.



Here we're in almost total agreement. The economy in the game is insane, there WAY too much gold to be had from simple dungeon crawling. I think there should be copper, silver, and gold (WoW-esque). I like the idea of clearing a tower and claiming it, but this would be a whole lot more complicated in it's implementation than you think (if you actually wanted any depth to owning that tower-- such as defending from bandit raids, and so on and so forth).



Again, this idea could be an entire game in and of itself. A fantastic idea, but it's asking a lot from a developer. Maybe in the next installation...



I have no idea what this means.

(I'm editing my comment. It's a little too acidic.)
The modding community possesses the passion to polish the final product. Developers may have the same passion, but they are constrained by budgets and deadlines, and that's the reality of capitalism.

First, you can turn off quest markers alltogether...., puzzles are never exciting when a player cant complete it. quests have always been like that no matter what game it is, you are performing a quest for someone else so to follow an NPCs orders is not somthing i havent seen before, the real question is how important is planting somthing something going to affect thw world as a whole, and thats somthing skyrim does better than the other 2 TES games



from a dev standpoint those are really hard to intergrate into the game, it would take more than 3 years to make every NPC and class to have different outcomes and situations based on their own morality, while not even thinking about the actual quest guidlines.



game wealth has never been complex. nor will it be. again having choices for these things would also be involved with morality, what if your evil and nobody wants to purchase your goods? what if your poor and people dont wanna give you any money? is a concept better left untouched



you can hire mercenaries to join you. the other things are too complex to intergrate without having the gameplay focus on them directly.



After playing WoW for 5 1/2 years, both WoW and TES are nowhere near perfect "10s" because they dont create a game where the contents of the game force you to play how the game wants, you can play any style you want, freedom is the real word here, giving players freedom is more than a 10 in my books. TES have come along way and i think they are going in the right direction.

Ever play BG2? Nuff said.

I hated melee combat in Morrowind. That is all.