Firstly, I know it's a mod causing this issue.
I remember installing a certain mod, though the name escapes me now, that had a special esp fix in case all the NPC's acquired the shock spell of doom after installing the mod.
When I test played after installing the mod, none of the NPC's had this spell, so I figured I was golden. Though after some time playing fully through, now they do.
I thought it was the Less Generic Guard Replacer, but it looks like that's not the culprit.
As if Footpads and Thugs arn't bad enough, now I have to worry about everyone and their pet lobbing a 30 pt's for 30 seconds lightning ball of horribleraqe. :toughninja:

I think tes3cmd has a feature to scan all plugins for a specific record. After then, open the plugin in the CS and untick "Auto-calculate spell".


Had the same problem with Rise of House Telvanni because someone forgot to untick it.

Post your load list, maybe someone will recognise it

Do you save your .zip files? Unless you have a million of them, you might be able to sort them by date and unzip them, most recent ones first, and look for the patch that way. It'll take some time, but you'll be sure to have it in there somewhere.

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Lyssia:I do keep my zip's, but I have quite a few. (Probably in the high hundreds)

GCD could add the brittlewind spell to NPCs, but had a fix for that. I don't see that in your load order, though. My lightning mod adds new spells, but NPCs shouldn't have access to them (they're not auto-calculated).

a good example why modders shouldn't use autocalc at all

reminds me on the one mod where it gave everyone some suicide spell, so everyone would die at the start of combat. turns out it was meant for a scripted sequence instead

I'm only saying this because I think I had the same problem with a spell of a similar or the same description but do you know the name of the spell that hits you? If you get hit by the spell try to open the inventory menu whilst you are still under the effect of the spell and hover your cursor over the little damage icon on the bottom right of the screen to find out. Sorry if you already knew that, I know this won't tell you which mod it's from but it might jog my memory as to which mod it is from. :goodjob:

Yeah, I had that one too, I remember the Dark Brotherhood assasins blowing waking me up just to show me that they can blow themselves up.

It's Shockball.
Also turns out it is hitting for a one time 97 damage.

I once left playing Morrowind for a few years just because of this darn spell. I had filled up my mod limit (255 active mods) and it proved impossible to find the culprit among that mess-o-mods. I'd be really grateful if somebody names the faulty mod responsible for this, just in case I run into it again someday.

That sounds like the lich's spell from Siege at Firemoth, as it's named 'Shockball' and does 100 damage. I didn't see it on your mod list though, but that's just what jumped out at me. That spell shouldn't be auto-calc'd though.

Hmm, I can't find the spell that you are thinking of. Both Annastia and Lothavor's Legacy add powerful auto-calc'd spells of shock damage and other varieties for no apparent reason and I thought it was one of those. Some examples;

li_shockbloom_L40: Duration: 6, Damage: 1-35
li_stormracer_shock_L40: Damage: 50-70, Cost: 31
pb_ftm_sp_dragon: Damage 200-200, Area: 20, Cost: 79


Are you 100% sure it is shockball? As that is a vanilla spell...

Anyway, the only other suggestion I have is (if the name of the spell is definitely shockball) is open all of your mods in the CS at once, go to the spells tab, sort by name, and scroll down to 'shockball' and then look at the ref ID which should give away which mod it is from the prefix etc, if this works and you recognise the author, close without saving and open the individual mod. If not then post the ref ID here and try your luck

I'll give it a try, but I attempted to open the HELLUVA Weapons esp earlier today to do a little editing and it crashed the CS. Twice. :brokencomputer:

Just a shot in the dark, but this esp: GameFile109=Lord of the Dragons v1.2.esp

contains some big autocalced shock spells:

Record: Flags: 0x0000 ()
SPEL.NAME: zz_shockspell1
SPEL.FNAM: Shockball
SPEL.SPDT: Type: Spell Cost: 18 Flags: 0x0001 (AutoCalc)
SPEL.ENAM: Shock_Damage Range: Target Area: 10 Duration: 1 MagMin: 10 MagMax: 50

Record: Flags: 0x0000 ()
SPEL.NAME: zz_shockspell2
SPEL.FNAM: Shockball
SPEL.SPDT: Type: Spell Cost: 39 Flags: 0x0005 (AutoCalc, Always_Succeeds)
SPEL.ENAM: Shock_Damage Range: Target Area: 20 Duration: 1 MagMin: 30 MagMax: 100

Record: Flags: 0x0000 ()
SPEL.NAME: zz_shockspell3
SPEL.FNAM: Shockball
SPEL.SPDT: Type: Spell Cost: 76 Flags: 0x0005 (AutoCalc, Always_Succeeds)
SPEL.ENAM: Shock_Damage Range: Target Area: 20 Duration: 1 MagMin: 70 MagMax: 200

yep those are some big autocalc spells, no less always succeeds too! perhaps there needs to be a utility that toggles off autocalc for spells when ran on a plug-in.

You can't open the helluva mod without opening the merchant container masterfile too, although I'm sure neither of those are the culprit as they only add objects to leveled lists so it would be safe to leave them out.

It seems that john.moonsugar has nailed the solution anyway, I have never downloaded Lord of the Dragons.. perhaps I should... now I have new found precautions.

@john: did you use your editing tool to find that information so quickly? I have never downloaded that either. It sounds useful for fighting auto calc spells.

Yes. I have a few thousand mods unpacked on my hard drive, and it's easy (on Linux anyway) to search them using tes3cmd for things like this. I'll have to add some file processing abilities to make it easy to do something similar under Windows.

on Linux all I did was:

find . -name "*.[eE][sS][mMpP]" -print0 | xargs -0 egrep -Hioal "shockball" | while read f ; do echo $f ; tes3cmd dump -t spel -m '(?s)shock.*autocalc' "$f" ; done

Haha thanks guys.

So I just open those shockball spells from LoD in CS, and turn the autocalc off and everything's fine?

Chainy: Thanks for the heads up on the HELLUVA mods. I've GOT to edit the Fire Valdris and Magma Blade to be much more expensive.

Yep.



Yeah, I love HELLUVA but it could do with a balance overhaul. I have spent a good few hours making spreadsheets and balancing them to my liking

One more query before I'm off, would it be a good idea to toggle off autocalc for all the spells listed in the CS?

I would say that it would be a good idea to disable autocalc for all mod added spells unless it is the intention of the mod to add variety to NPC spells.

yeah, don't take it off the regular spells though, otherwise you'll turn many of the mages into fist fighters.

IIRC, the latest (beta or released? Not sure) version of the Morrowind Patch Project does a lot of work on setting Bethesda spells to sensible autocalc settings. I'd use that for the Bethesda spells but you'll be at the mercy of modders for other spells...