lol! They wrote it in the manual and didn't put it into practice?

The point isn't that you're spending the perk on Smithing, its that people are spamming iron daggers to get their levels up to the point where they can get ebony level armor early in the game. You DON'T need to do that.

Case in point, I'm playing as a warrior who smiths, but I'm keeping my smithing around the level of my heavy armor and blocking, which are right now around 30. Therefore, my smithing is at thirty and I'm able to smith dwemer armor.

You cannot look at it one directional.

Block Skill is used against Opponent's Attack Skill. Both needs to be scaled in the same way.

Smithing (for example) is used against... nothing.

The Logic is about pacing the game. It is NOT about all skills progress at the same rate.

And for quick smithing exp, you should be focused on getting most of your exp form Upgrading.

With items that adds to smithing, you can power level to 100 smithing by upgrading basic leather bracers to maximum tier incredibly fast. I got from 90 to 100 just upgrading the basic Iron Gear on Badits to legendary before I sold them.

It's rather consistent if the logic is to reduce grinding. By making blocks against stronger opponents more useful than blocks against mudcrabs, it encourages you to fight enemies equal to your skill, rather than grinding mudcrabs. For smithing, it's a grind no matter what, so they try to make it the easiest grind possible by not placing restrictions on which items you choose to grind.

Feel free to develop your own game!

Perks are not the issue with these skills. The value of the perks would remain the same if the skills were balanced.

Whether you choose to make the game ridiculously easy or not before level 30 by powergrinding up smithing and enchanting then cross-"exploiting" these skills to create god-level weapons and armor that are not naturally found in the game otherwise...is entirely up to you. I deleted the character I did this on to reroll one who is going to ignore those skills completely until I am character level 50 (whereupon presumably the only upgrades in gear would come from said skills).

So making a flat crappy dagger should = the skillset of making this...
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Let me go ask my grandfather who use to be a welder what he thinks about that.

Clearly someone who makes 500 iron daggers should be able to make perfect glass and daedric their first time. Who cares?

Am I the only one who hunted deers for hide to make hide/leather stuff to level smithing? lol..

I'm not saying developers ARE lazy. I'm simply saying that people need to stop saying "Modders will fix it" as the end of all complaints about any PC game that supports modding. Not to mention that "modders will fix it" does NOTHING at all for console gamers.

Spot on.
What's mind-boggling is that Bethesda didn't do this. I can only guess it's an oversight, but it's weird that such a blatant one went through the testing. We'll see if they patch it.


I agree that people don't have to powergame and shouldn't complain if they do.
I don't agree that it's up to the player to balance the game and that they are entitled to complain when they play legitimaly and face bogus results.

My issue with crafting is a bit more deep seeded than that though. I don't really mind the "rate" of XP gains, I mind the fact that crafting, as an overall skillset, results in something far more powerful than leveling "normal" abilities. If you cheese out smithing/enchanting the right way, you hardly need to buy any armour perks, as you can hit armour cap just through the quality of the base armour and natural armour skill. You can squeeze out 90-100% mana cost reduction on spells for near infinite magic. You can maximize your stealth ability. All of this is contained in 3 skills, while normally these things cover the other 15 skills in the game. Crafting alone is crazy in how it supplements/replaces so many other talents. Its no contest that crafting is a superior method to improving your character.

It literally is a money tree as my previous example went. Why would you not own one except in order to hinder yourself? And why should I be forced to hinder myself in order to have different and "fun" experiences each time I make a new character?

I'd like to repeat my point that everyone seems to be ignoring:

The game stated that you would gain experience in smithing relative to the dollar value of the item you created. That was the intended system. It does not work like that, I expect that Bethesda will fix it. You can all relax. And yes, smithing is glitched right now.

It happens.

What would a wielder know about making armor? And as a metalworker i can tell you that you learn to wield railroads and bridges by practicing on the same pieces of sheet metal over and over and over again until you qualify for a certificate that lets you wield on a railroad or bridge.

My question is how did the glitch take place and become overlooked? What a strange phenomenon for them to actually place it in the guide book and then for something to go wrong.

keep it civil, kids. And don't accuse people of being a fan boy just because they disagree with you.

I honestly don't think anything is going to change until there's a DLC. I think vanilla is going to stay this way and people need to stop complaining.

tsk typical really devoted fan

LOL apparently fan boy in one word gets changes to : really devoted fan

He has a point though. As much as it pains me to say it, Skyrim could take something from WoW on this. In crafting in WoW, as you gain levels in crafting ability, the xp you get from making the easy stuff lowers and lowers, until eventually it is gray, meaning you get no xp for making it. It would prevent lvl 50 in smithing characters from just spamming iron daggers and hide braces for xp. Good mod idea.