So no matter what I do the barmaid in the tavern will not die I keep trying to get her to leave the tavern but I dont know what to do hell I've even did a few attempts at killing her my self but wont work so does any one know if I am doing something wrong?

aint that the quest you have to identify the killer in windhelm?

i dont recall needing to kill any barmaid.

No I mean that when every time I enter the city

Oh, its random i think. i got the quest active the first time i enter the city, some people reported 12

It's glitchy.

Well i wanted to do that quest too. I've been living for many days in windhelm, really want to buy the house there and the the quest just won't start....

Well I've gone into that city almost 50 times from the other side of skyrim back to windhelm and she still wont die and its REALLY [censored] annnoying and now I cant get that awesome house. :banghead:

that....is really annoying

not to mention the whole quest chain is buggy as hell.

The quest wont start? Yeah, its a bug that effects a lot of people. Does it to my build that needs the house for his RP. Tried everything. Entered and exited hundreds of times to get it to start. At night, during the day, at 2:00 am like it has been suggested. Never starts. Horrible bug that wasn't fixed in this current patch.

Any idea if it will be fixed in patch that will be released this week? also I hope it removes the other glitch that is the in house you can buy that will never go away even after you beat the quest.

Done that quest chain about 5 times and not had any problem with it.

so the crime scene goes away, you have to pick that option first in the upgrades. Otherwise it will bug.

Then You sir are very very lucky seeing that windhelm has to be the most buggy city in the entire game. :sadvaultboy:

Last time I started that quest chain it was between 7 - 8 am, so don't think you have to worry too much about the time of day.

I've not found Windhelm buggy at all, never had a problem there yet and it's my prefered city.

i dont know how an internet troll broke into bethesda and scripted that quest to take place in YOUR house and prevent the ability to upgrade it, but beth really needs to up their security so it doesnt happen again.

wait? beth did that on purpose? WHAT THE F- :banghead:

yeah, that quest is broken in addition to being stupidly designed. how the person who made it lives with himself i do not know; the guy who came up with a murderous vampire child is less sadistic than that.

I loved the murderous vampire child!

Anyway, if it's bugged........... i'll cry..?

I've completed that quest 5 times, so how exactly is it broken?

I'm have been staying in Windhelm for like a month now... No murder scene ever happened.... Wtf is the butcher on vacation?

With the fact that it bugs out and doesnt work for many people in different stages of the quest as well as inability to start it at all.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Blood_on_the_Ice

The quest is bugged simply because most people cannot start it, including myself. Windhelm is the last city I have yet to purchase a house in, and it's all because I cannot start this quest. All in good time, it will happen I suppose. Just try and be patient. And Zaraco, you have been lucky enough to have found it in the first place, so you were aware of the quest and have been able to be on the lookout for it each and every time you had the ability to do so. Those of us who were not aware of how this quest chain started are not able to start it until it is fixed. It appears that if you "missed the crime scene" to start with, then it doesn't reappear. Give yourself a pat on the back for being able to do this not only once, but multiple times. Good job to you, but please don't patronize the rest of us for not being able to be so "lucky."

Have you guys been making progress through other quests or do you know if it's level relevant? I'm not sure what level you guys are, but maybe there's a starting like there is for Daedric quests. Also, try talking to more people and looking around and finding things that relate to it. Even do different activities in the city. Go and have a tour at that curiosities place. If you've done all of that, I can't help any further. lol