Yeah, the only part of that post that got me even the least bit excited was the part about the Steam Workshop. And yeah, that is what it means. If they do get Steam Workshop to work with Skyrim mods, as long as the mod maker uses the Steam Workshop packaging program, then you will just click a button in the Steam Workshop and BAM, insta-mod. THAT will be pretty amazing, and when/if it happens, I will be giving BIG kudos to both Bethesda and Valve.

That being said, I think I just recently made a post about how you cannot assume anything when it comes to Bethesda...so lets just all hope really hard that this post by Bethesda isn't...

I did miss a second post. I just think there's not a reason to be accusatory towards another member of the community for speaking their opinion. You're clearly angry and you've said so. It's usually not a great idea to post during that time. I hope you've seen the Bethblog post now and can be patient until this is all fixed. Since you're a long-time player, you know how this goes...we all knew there would be bugs to get through. New, old, it doesn't matter. We just have to get through this period and we will. I'm excited to see what the modding community comes up with. They might have a fix again that helps me play. I understand the frustration, don't ask me about Craig Boone. Hang in there.

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Fallout: New Vegas had a lot more problems than Skyrim for a lot longer. We were actually promised that Bethesda was going to do something for the community to make up for not being able to play the game without fear of save corruption for nearly 4 months, but they never delivered.

No, I'm just incoherent. :unsure:

I wish I could be patient. I cannot. Why? I cannot play the game. Not at all...even a little. Their most recent patch totally borked my game. It is 100% completely unplayable. If I have to wait till January for my game to work again, then I shouldn't have bought it on release. I should have waited until the Christmas sale on Steam and got it for half price. The reason I got it on release is I assumed that I'd be able to play it. I cannot play it. At all. This is just a bit upsetting, as you might imagine. Now I am being told that it is possible, maybe, that I could get to play next week, but if not then, then in January. How am I not supposed to be mad about that? Sure, there have been problems during previous releases from Bethesda. That does not excuse the problems for this release. We shouldn't have to be comforted by the idea that "...we all knew there would be bugs to get through." We, as a community should DEMAND that Bethesda gets off their butts and stops releasing broken games.

Moral of the story. I shouldn't have to wait several months to be able to play a game I bought. I should be able to play the game immediately when I buy it. To believe otherwise, or to let a company get away with anything else, is totally ludicrous.

The part that pisses me off is that in every single "patch release notes" or comment they make regarding glitches, they always say "rare occurrance" or "extremely rare bug." Obviously, they're widely experienced problems that they're trying to sweep under the table to keep sales up. Sickening.

Er, no it isn't. It's 23 years since I left college, but thanks for your kind assessment.

Your signature is at odds with your quote, good sir. If quantity =/= complexity, then Skyrim =/= necessarily complex (It could, for some arcane reason, be way more complex than your standard giant RPG, but doesn't have to be more complex). And since people have already started fixing bugs, it doesn't seem like it is any more complex than anything else.

I absolutely sympathize if a game is unplayable and I think it might be better to avoid the forums for a bit because they'd aggravate the blank out of me because I'd be so frustrated. The fix could be next week, not January. See the blog post.

Another thing is that for maybe 50 problems the game is having, there could be 500,000+ actions that are working right and many people are still playing. I don't know why but that's the reality. Like I said, we'll get through this. I'm sorry you can't play.

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I really appreciate your kind words. Honestly. Most people on this forum who disagree with me have basically said to "stop whining." So I appreciate someone talking to me in a civil and respectable manner. Hate breads hate, so to speak, and I think my posts have become more venomous the more people tell me how they're game works flawlessly and I need to shut up. I also realize the fix could be next week (I thought I said something about that, I apologize if I left it out), but it seems unlikely. I am still hopeful.

That being said, it just seems like we, as customers, aren't being treated fairly by Bethesda or by many other gaming companies. It's not impossible to release nearly bug free games. Many developers do it all the time. Almost every single Valve and Blizzard release is nearly bug free. Now these games take a long time to make. But Skyrim also took a long time. And if Bethesda needed more time to Q/A their game, I would have been more than happy for them to take it.

I know there are lots of people who might be sad/whine if they had pushed back the release date. I would have been very sad myself. But I wouldn't have been angry. And I am WAY more sad, on top of being angry, that they put out such a broken game. I get that it's a big and complex game. I honestly don't think it's that much more complex than many other RPGs out there, but I don't know much about coding, so I my opinion on how complex the game is means nothing. However, I would be a fool if I thought the game wasn't complex at all. All games are complex. And the people who make them are much more knowledgeable than I.

That doesn't mean we, as customers, should give them a free pass when they mess up. We don't give other businesses free passes when they mess up. We, as a gaming community, hold basically all other forms of business to a higher standard than video game developers. We get mad when our meal isn't right at a restaurant. We get upset if the clothes we ordered from Amazon are shipped in the wrong size. We dislike it when our cable companies have connection issues. We get outraged if our bank messes up. But when our favorite video game developer makes a mistake, we let them slide. It's a crazy, totally explainable phenomenon (at least to me), but I honestly feel it needs to stop. It's not fair to us, as customers. We payed for a working product, ergo our product should work. And that should be all there is to it. We shouldn't have to make excuses, be patient, or forgive. We should have a product that works, out of the box, or we should get our money back.

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but Bethesda released a buggy game. They always release buggy games. We as customers allow that to continue. If a restaurant served you an under-cooked meal, you wouldn't keep going there if it happened multiple times, even if you really loved the place. Why do we keep coming back to video game companies that constantly get their games wrong?

Dog armor?

Do want!

That sounds like accuracy. Not too much to expect IMHO.

Edwin Newman

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(It's how we're taught to write in school)

I'm afraid I don't know the cheese; anyway, my writing was much more incoherent back then. That's probably best left to the imagination, and indeed, I should probably cease this particular tangent! (Sigh, I now feel like I must seem rather pompous if that's how my writing comes over, even though I'm anything but academic...)

Don't let them wear you down, your comments were perfectly coherent. It's quite refreshing to see someone who doesn't use "should of", or mix up their use of "there", "to" and "quiet".