All,

I have a character who has Conjuration at Master, but I havent yet put any points in the perks that buff up the Atronachs. I know they have a fixed level and that the Potency perk maybe doubles it? But I do know that the Atronachs, even the Storm Atronachs, don't cut it without the perk. But I am afraid to place perk points, seeing as how weak they are at my level (over 50).

But you tell me .... can a perked Storm Atronach hang tough fighting the bad guys the way the Dremora Lord can? Or should I just keep my Conjuration as a secondary thing for the odd occasion when I need the Dremora Lord, and skip the perks for the Atronachs?

Thanks!

Thralls are very nice lvl60 here

Hmm. Because the normal Storm Atronach dies fast, and my Fire Thrall dies fast, but both are unperked.

I guess I could save up 4 perk points (getting slow now) and then just save, and then test, and reload if I need to.

Thanks!

You can get Storm Thralls. The Elemental Potency makes them 50% better. Thralls are Atronachs but last until killed. With Twin souls you can have 2.

And yeah. I use Frost thralls even though I can use Storm thralls.

Honestly, I wish I hadnt wasted perks on it. My guy is better solo.

I guess I'll have to test it myself. My inclination is to not spend the perks there because I am a mage-rogue and so I dont normally need a pet or a companion. In the rare instance I do, the Dremora Lord is sufficient.

havent used perks but after lvl 25 or so summons r worthless

Do the perks from atronachs go towards making the Dremoras more boss?

I kind of assumed they would, becuase there is something for necromancers, and so it would make sense to me that the perks for atronachs would make *all* summoned entities that weren't undead more boss.

Not the Dremora Lord summons. He is a real ass kicker. Even Deathlords have to tread carefully with him. Unless you set your difficulty to master, I suppose, but then you wanted nothing but hard times anway you take that path.

I have the same question Stormbird does, though, namely, do the perks for the Atronachs effect the Dremora at all?

If you summon two dremora lords and have all the perks for them, you pretty much have no chance at hitting your enemies, cuz they'll already be dead :disguise:

Haven't tested it myself but it seems many report that they don't.
(summoning 2 minions perk does work)

Atronachs are kinda useless when you can have the dremora which is far more powerful than improved atronachs :/
I pretend i don't have the spell so the points i invested and the master and expert atronach spells do not go to waste.

At 81, my Dremora Lords are being one shotted by Elder Dragons.

the conjuring line, including twin souls, is one of the better perks in the game. dremora lords are OP up until like lvl 50 and definitely worth using. they destroy anything in your way. after that point, u start seeing elder dragons and other difficult enemies that might not work out so well. at this level, the thrall spells really shine. especially in dungeons, u can have the perfect army tailored specifically to that dungeon.

On my level 39 mage on Master difficulty, two Dremora Lords totally destroy everything in sight. I barely have a chance to add some damage of my own into a fight before those maniacs charge in and start ripping heads off.

I will ponder your statement while my two Dremora lords clear out EVERY dungeon/cave effortlessly while i sit back and chew on a goats leg and admire the serenity of the environment i've innocently wandered in to


"havent used perks...." (yeah your opinion from that point on is no longer valid)



Im currently level 42 and dremora lords can clear anything that's in their path. The fact that you can re summon them at will and have two of them, makes them fu'kn OP.


EDIT: i too am on master difficulty and have had 100 conjuration since level 25

WOW! I did not know that Twin Souls affected the Dremora Lord! Really?

If so, whats the shortest path to Twin Souls? I guess Necromancy and then Dark Souls and then Twin Souls?

Do any other Perks affect the Dremora Lord?

Thanks!

Level 59 pure mage here. Atronachs at higher levels are viable. On higher difficulties however you have trouble doing direct damage yourself. Only on the higher, or highest difficulty, mind you. In short Atro's hang in adept and to a lesser extent on expert.

Alrighty. Still, I think I may save investment into the Atronach Line until I do a pure mage. Right now I think I may just go down the Necro Line as its my shortest route to Twin Souls.

HILARIOUS! and true. I think your Dremora might be SOOO powerful though, BECAUSE you are on master difficulty. If I recall correctly, all NPCs are harder on Master, including your summons. Thus, your summons are of the same variety of Badass that a hostile Dremora Lord would be if you ran across him playing at master level. And, aside from a Dragon or another highpowered Daedric being like an Aureal Golden Saint, what on the face of Nirn can stand up to a Dremora Lord at Master Difficulty???

You're level eighty what? How the hell did you do that? I thought the game only went to 70? Did you use some master computer code to fry things, or is 81 achievable through normal methods?

You can achieve level 81. Just use all your skills until they are all at 100. That will do it. I am kinda working on it now, slowly, just so that my first character was a "maxed out" one. All my subsequent ones will be "normal/casual". And yeah, stuff like pickpocketing and alchemy and lockpicking is PAINFUL.