New game: Load order : IV

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:14 am

Hello everyone!

I'm just getting back to Oblivion after a year and I'm just finalizing my load order. Before I start a new character I just want to check that I'm not forgetting something crucial or that I'm including something that shouldn't be.

Any feedback would be much appreciated!

Just to clarify I'm not looking for mod tips, only a load order critique (missing, included when it shouldn't an so on).

Everything has been pyffied, cleaned, BOSSed and bashed.

Spoiler

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» Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:37 pm

It sounds as though you have done everything right, then... except adding one or few mods at one time, BOSSing, cleaning, rebuilding the Bashed Patch, running TES4LODGen, and testing the game to see that everything is okay (rinsing and repeating until done).

That is the only sure way to completely avoid nasty surprises of the most common kind.

But even so, I will look through your mod list. One moment.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:42 am

Did you just blindly pyffi everything? Pyffi can't handle some meshes; they create problems. Also, di you read through the BOSS Log? That generally fixes 75% of my problems.

Hope my commentary helped.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:32 am

Well, when it comes to adding a few mods at a time I have infact tested after each main step of the installation procedure.

I have also always used the pyffi exception list when doing the meshes so I think I'm safe.

My biggest worries about this mod list is that I have either forgotten some crucial esp for FCOM or that I have installed some esp from MMM, Frans or something that absolutely shouldn't be there.

Also, I have a Shivering Isle related question: I use the SI version of Frans, but should I also use the MMM for SI plugin or do they conflict. Also if I only can use one, which would you recommend, MMM or Frans?