dragon vs deathclaw

Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:27 am

I say dragons.

Deathclaws like to attack in packs, as previously mentioned. They also lack any form of ranged attack.

Notice how you never fight more than 2 dragons at once in Skyrim, and even that is a rare occasion. Try to take on 5+ elder/ancient dragons simultaneously, and say they're a joke.

But why give Dragons special treatment?
If going by lore and gameplay Dragons attack at most 3 at once and that is REALLY rare.
Deathclaws, in all Fallouts apart from Fallout 3 (excluding Old Olney) attack in packs.

So yeah, they'd be screwed if up against 5+ Elder/Ancient Dragons.

But it'd be like saying "Yeah uhm, 10 Desert Rangers would be screwed against 10 Lanius'"

Just saying, no special treatment.
Deathclaws attack in packs, in lore and in gameplay, Dragons do not, they have rare moments where they attack 2 at once and even rarer 3 at once.
But Deathclaws "always" attack in packs.
Throw in a Mother Deathclaw and a Baby Deathclaw and the Mother would go completely insane once it's child dies.
Throw in an Alpha or Legendary Deathclaw (which we are allowed to do since we can throw in Ancient Dragons) then the scale is even heavier in the Deathclaws favor.

Dragons, because unless they are killed by a dovahkin they re-spawn.

They do?
Hm.
Well we are talking about who would win the battle right?
Even if a Dragon is capable of reincarnating back to itself it can still be killed temporarily by the Deathclaws.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:39 pm

They're from the Fallout universe.

Essentially, they're massive, hulking lizards with claws the size of a human's torso, and move faster than a wild cat. They can drop your health to half in a single swing, and take a few clips to drop.

ON NORMAL DIFFICULTY.

Then I can easily answer DRAGONS. Deathclaws are from false universe and doesn't exist in Skyrim. A Fairy Tale can't beat a living creature.

I can't understand why people are always connecting Fallout to TES. They are surely made by same people and have partly same game mechanics but THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY SEPARATED. Their game worlds are not connected to each other and there's no reason to try to build any kind of connections between them. I'm totally tired to hear Fallout stories on TES forums. There are Fallout forums for Fallout stories, you should keep fallout on fallout's side and TES on TES's side.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:20 am

Deathclaw. I've seen bears kill dragons...

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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:30 am

I say dragons.

Deathclaws like to attack in packs, as previously mentioned. They also lack any form of ranged attack.

Notice how you never fight more than 2 dragons at once in Skyrim, and even that is a rare occasion. Try to take on 5+ elder/ancient dragons simultaneously, and say they're a joke.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esXjMoBhVtI guy doesn't seem to be having too tough a time, and he still has around 40 levels till cap.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:05 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esXjMoBhVtI guy doesn't seem to be having too tough a time, and he still has around 40 levels till cap.



That's actually pretty cool, though I wouldn't say he was not having a tough time. Not like he did it with his eyes closed.
Not only did he have to constantly use potions(if it were Oblivion or Morrowind style, he'd be dead.), he also had high magical resistances as well as legendary equipment. Also, isn't 50 considered the "soft" level cap? As in, after that level, things don't scale with you anymore? Going by that, you might as well say he was close to the max level.

But nice fight nonetheless.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:09 am

A giant would own both of them at the same time.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:08 am

Deathclaw would get burnt or froze to death. Dragon will just kite the deathclaw from the air.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:37 am

That's actually pretty cool, though I wouldn't say he was not having a tough time. Not like he did it with his eyes closed.
Not only did he have to constantly use potions(if it were Oblivion or Morrowind style, he'd be dead.), he also had high magical resistances as well as legendary equipment. Also, isn't 50 considered the "soft" level cap? As in, after that level, things don't scale with you anymore? Going by that, you might as well say he was close to the max level.

But nice fight nonetheless.


Technically yes, I believe things stop scaling at 50, though the actual player cap is 81 or so..which seems slightly overkill to me...but that is kinda offtopic. The thing is though, the weakness of the dragons is clearly known and seen in the video, and that generally is that they stagger too easy, and are not tenacious enough with their attacks. They give plenty of leeway for you to heal even with that many on you.

However if it were Fallout with appropriate deathclaws...the player typically would either struggle greatly, die, or have to rely on slow time via turbo or some other effect that would shift the balance greatly in their favor. That many deathclaws at once could, regardless of armor rating...manage to completely outdamage any form of healing if you got unlucky and one or two hit you at the same time consecutively.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:16 am

Dragons. Deathclaws can't kill what they can't reach.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:16 pm

Bears kill dragons because they are f--ing rediculous.

Snow bears can go to hell.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:48 am

You forget Deathclaws are CLEVER
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:49 pm

Once i unleash my bee from its jar, its game over for both.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:58 am

Then I can easily answer DRAGONS. Deathclaws are from false universe and doesn't exist in Skyrim. A Fairy Tale can't beat a living creature.

I can't understand why people are always connecting Fallout to TES. They are surely made by same people and have partly same game mechanics but THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY SEPARATED. Their game worlds are not connected to each other and there's no reason to try to build any kind of connections between them. I'm totally tired to hear Fallout stories on TES forums. There are Fallout forums for Fallout stories, you should keep fallout on fallout's side and TES on TES's side.


So......dragon or deathclaw?

:P


Chill out, its just for fun.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:13 pm

Then I can easily answer DRAGONS. Deathclaws are from false universe and doesn't exist in Skyrim. A Fairy Tale can't beat a living creature.

I can't understand why people are always connecting Fallout to TES. They are surely made by same people and have partly same game mechanics but THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY SEPARATED. Their game worlds are not connected to each other and there's no reason to try to build any kind of connections between them. I'm totally tired to hear Fallout stories on TES forums. There are Fallout forums for Fallout stories, you should keep fallout on fallout's side and TES on TES's side.


What you actually believe in Dragons? I think the radiation has messed up with your head!
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:38 am

What you actually believe in Dragons? I think the radiation has messed up with your head!

I believe Dragons in Skyrim. Deathclaws are not existing in the Nirn. Read again my argument and you'll understand that I'm not talking about the reallife - I'm talking about how it goes in the world of TES.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:31 am

I believe Dragons in Skyrim. Deathclaws are not existing in the Nirn. Read again my argument and you'll understand that I'm not talking about the reallife - I'm talking about how it goes in the world of TES.

How about the Almighty Goldfish from the Raptor Realm teleports an Ancient Dragon and a pack of Deathclaws (which is well within my her power) and then sets them down on planet Morque to fight 'til death? (Dragons do not "respawn" in the Raptor Realm)
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:20 pm

How about the Almighty Goldfish from the Raptor Realm teleports an Ancient Dragon and a pack of Deathclaws (which is well within my her power) and then sets them down on planet Morque to fight 'til death? (Dragons do not "respawn" in the Raptor Realm)

Well this is something! At last it sounds epic enough to satisfy my poor Nordic soul.
After watching a few pics of Deathclaws I'm quite a sure Dragons can easily eat them as breakfast. http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Fallout-New-Vegas-Diary-Deathclaws-Cazadores-and-Fear-2.png are nothing more than well grown version of Tribunal's http://images.uesp.net/2/22/TR-creature-GoblinOfficer.jpg.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:02 am

Even though I have not played Skyrim I would have to say Deathclaw. Deathclaws are the only game creature I have ever felt real fear of. Seriously... unless you exploit game mechanics the Deathclaws have a good chance of eating your face off in seconds (that includes the time spent running to you), especially on very hard.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:07 pm

Well this is something! At last it sounds epic enough to satisfy my poor Nordic soul.
After watching a few pics of Deathclaws I'm quite a sure Dragons can easily eat them as breakfast. http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Fallout-New-Vegas-Diary-Deathclaws-Cazadores-and-Fear-2.png are nothing more than well grown version of Tribunal's http://images.uesp.net/2/22/TR-creature-GoblinOfficer.jpg.

I play with Dragons. Two at once ... no big deal. I was always very serious with Deathclaws although I did off the blind one at Primm's Pass at level 5 one time. Took a long time.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:36 pm

I'm pretty sure my two Dremora Lords could kill a Deathclaw. They kind of just murder everything. If not ... I can cast some more.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:00 pm

Initially, I felt a deathclaw would win, but then I thought an Ancient Dragon might win. After really thinking about it, I realized that the focus of different combat styles makes a world of difference. Fallout was designed with ranged (and powerful) combat in mind, with melee a somewhat novel, but useful option. The deathclaws were designed with this in mind. When seeing a deathclaw in Fallout, unless you had tooled your char to be a melee tank, you wanted to back pedal and put as much lead into the beast as possible.

In Skyrim, the combat focus is melee, with two totally different types of ranged combat options, which while comparable to melee to an extent, are not as powerful as the ranged options in Fallout. When encountering a dragon in Skyrim, most folks are going to be able to close in on it and hack away at melee range. In other words, a dragon is designed to be approachable in melee combat, whereas deathclaws are not. Defeating a deathclaw with melee imparts a sense of achievement, unless your char is a higher level char. Defeating a dragon in any way is designed to feel more like an expectation. Sure, it might be a long battle, depending on your difficulty level setting, your level, and your play type, but it is meant to be accomplished.

I feel like if they had taken the same approach with dragons as they did with deathclaws, we'd all be cursing our screens, throwing mice/controllers, and feeling a lot more accomplished when we killed a dragon. To be honest, I've only been killed by a dragon once. I can't tell you how many times I've been killed by deathclaws.

To answer the question, as long as the dragon was an ancient, and stuck to the air for the most part, and the deathclaw wasn't anything other than a vanilla deathclaw (no alphas, mothers, or legendary deathclaws), the dragon would win. Otherwise, that would be one dead dragon. My question is this: what shout would the deathclaw unlock with that dragon soul? :wink:


you actually bring up an excellent point. deathclaws were designed for more powerful weapons vs dragons which when you think about it are really weak because you can kill them with a sword. its very difficult to kill large animals like hippos, rhinocerosi etc with simple weapons like spears (those are long pointy sticks that you poke things with for you people who only play TES games since 2005. and usually there are several people working at once to take down large prey like that. considering that dragons are several times larger and armor plated it should be impossible to kill it with anything other than magic or large catapult type weapons. of course that wouldnt make for much fun gameplay though. this pretty much seals the case for deathclaws being significantly tougher since you would never dream of going up against one with a sword/board.
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