Dual weilding damage output?

Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:15 pm

I've done a search of the forums, and I've got a question that I cant find an answer to.

So, could someone explain something to me?
I've seen a loading screen game tip says that dual-weilding can potentially double your damage output.

How?
with a weapon in one hand, I can spam the attack button & swing it maybe once every 1.5 seconds.
with two weapons dual-weilded, i spam both attack buttons & ...it still only ammounts to one swing every 1.5 seconds or so. while one arm is swinging, the other cant move.

dual weilding... it seems useless other than for RP-ing. cant block. same swings-per-second as single weilding (so no advantage for DPS)... help me out. how is dual weilding balanced? unless I'm doing it very wrong (which is a distinct possibility), I cant see any benifits to dual-weilding, only drawbacks.
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Jessica Thomson
 
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:29 am

yes. dual wielding is weak as hell. buff dual wielding bethesda! ffs!
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:58 pm

their is a side of the One-Handed tree for dual wielding that buffs the speed of your attacks and bonus damage with dual power attacks. Increased speed allows you to strike more often which in turn increases damage output.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:00 pm

Dual-wielding is probably the most overpowered thing in the game atm, actually. At least from my experience.

Dual-wield, throw on Elemental Fury, kill all.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:53 am

their is a side of the One-Handed tree for dual wielding that buffs the speed of your attacks and bonus damage with dual power attacks. Increased speed allows you to strike more often which in turn increases damage output.


I'm still not sold on that. not at all. 35% increase? it should be a 100% increase. two hands + two swords = swinging twice as much.

Its just that you cant swing your second hand until the animation of your first swing is complete. dual-weilding is severely underpowered. When the slight increase in damage given by the +35% swing speed is "balanced" by removing blocking. hell, I'd be happier if there was a chance to parry (swing at the same time as your opponent & have a chance to deflect their attack or something like that for the same damage reduction as a successful block)...

I would like to have dual-weilding fixed at some point. I did want to play as a dual-daggers assassin before I actually tried it...
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:06 am

wait a second here op.... YOU TROLLIN'?
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:52 pm

dont mislead the newb. magic is the most overpowered, 105dmg incinerates>500 dmg sword/1000 dual wield.


haha never been called a newb before. but I suppose it is a pretty newb-ish question.

bring back the 'weakness to X' enchantments & then second weapon is X and things are looking brighter. but til then... I'll stick with sword & shield.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:21 pm

dude, dual wielding is op as hell. you know you can swing both weapons at the same time, and the dual swing power attack does like 4 attacks, all while having a perk to increase the dmg... so dual wield is def not under powered
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:51 am

+50% damage perk. That and you hit three times with one power attack. That and you can power attack left hand causing stagger, power attack right hand causing stagger, repeat.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:24 am

wait a second here op.... YOU TROLLIN'?


No, it's a legitimate question I'm afraid. Playing on PC, I click the attack buttons as fast as possible & the ammount of swings per second is exactly the same as if I were only holding one weapon. I click em both at the same time, only one swing happens. As for power attacks, I know the animation looks like it causes four hits, but is each hit registered, or is it only a cool animation with the same power attack mechanics as otehr weapon styles?
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:52 am

Dual swing power attack = death to most anything other than bosses.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:39 am

No. It legitimately hits the target 4 times. Seriously, that someone considers dual-wielding underpowered is baffling. O_o

Level and perk it out and it's quite a few steps above sword-and-board or two-handers, as far as damage output. Of course the Elemental Fury shout is integral to to a dual-wield build.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:22 pm

each hit is registered. if anything is dumb enough to get in range, the power attack kills em dead. cant say the same for my 2h warrior.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:14 am

No, it's a legitimate question I'm afraid. Playing on PC, I click the attack buttons as fast as possible & the ammount of swings per second is exactly the same as if I were only holding one weapon. I click em both at the same time, only one swing happens. As for power attacks, I know the animation looks like it causes four hits, but is each hit registered, or is it only a cool animation with the same power attack mechanics as otehr weapon styles?


It's three and I think each hit is registered, when duel wielding you depend on power attacks for causing damage, so attack speed isn't that important, with enough stamina you can cut though just about anything.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:02 am

Ive been pondering the same thing, though I know im doing it wrong

When doing normal atacks while duel-wielding, it just hits with 1 sword, so I too wonder what the advantage of it is besides the power atack and the perks of having 2 swords at the same time. Can you actually swing both swords with a NORMAL atack?
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:53 pm

Ive been pondering the same thing, though I know im doing it wrong

When doing normal atacks while duel-wielding, it just hits with 1 sword, so I too wonder what the advantage of it is besides the power atack and the perks of having 2 swords at the same time. Can you actually swing both swords with a NORMAL atack?


Yes.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:10 am

yea you can swing both normally. your character does an in-to-out kind of deal with the swords.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:43 pm

Cheers guys. Seems most people can get it right. I must be overlooking something. I'll give it another go...
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:05 pm

Duel wielding is great, especially if you get yourself a nice process weapon. I found in a normal chest a dagger with a paralyze process. It even paralyzes bosses. Hit both right and left buttons at same time for duel wield power attack. Make sure you up your stamina during levels up to increase your stamina pool so you can spam duel wield power combos more often in a difficult fight or when you are surrounded and need to take out adds asap.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:32 pm

just be sure to get the decapitation perk and dual savagery. these increase the power attack damage.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:33 am

Dual wielding isn't about mashing the basic swing. You won't get any increase in damage, and in fact it will be less if you're trying to alternate attack buttons.

1. Dual wielding is all about the power attack. It does more than any other attack when all swings hit.
2. You can also hit both attacks at the same time (not the same as a power attack), and swing both weapons at once. It's not viable to keep using that as your primary attack due to it's speed, but it's very damaging.
3. Both sword + shield and dual-wielding gain the swing speed bonuses from Flurry.

Don't worry, your questioning the worth of Dual-Wielding is entirely logical since in literally EVERY OTHER GAME you get an extra attack or attack and a half from using two weapons. In this game you just get a speed increase to your basic attack speed when you are using two "weapons" and you have the Flurry perk.

It's all about the power attack.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:25 pm

I'm still not sold on that. not at all. 35% increase? it should be a 100% increase. two hands + two swords = swinging twice as much.

Its just that you cant swing your second hand until the animation of your first swing is complete. dual-weilding is severely underpowered. When the slight increase in damage given by the +35% swing speed is "balanced" by removing blocking. hell, I'd be happier if there was a chance to parry (swing at the same time as your opponent & have a chance to deflect their attack or something like that for the same damage reduction as a successful block)...

I would like to have dual-weilding fixed at some point. I did want to play as a dual-daggers assassin before I actually tried it...


Do Dual Wield power attacks and tell me that Dual Wield is underpowered.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:12 pm

Dual wielding isn't about mashing the basic swing. You won't get any increase in damage, and in fact it will be less if you're trying to alternate attack buttons.

1. Dual wielding is all about the power attack. It does more than any other attack when all swings hit.
2. You can also hit both attacks at the same time (not the same as a power attack), and swing both weapons at once. It's not viable to keep using that as your primary attack due to it's speed, but it's very damaging.
3. Both sword + shield and dual-wielding gain the swing speed bonuses from Flurry.


Dead on. Duel wield is all about the burst. Doing single right click followed by left click is not the optimal way to play this class type. Power attacks is your bread and butter. If you a strict rogue like me wearing light armor it's not optimal to trade punches with my foe, need to get your power attacks down to burst down enemies fast.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:54 pm

lol? right click right hand, left click left hand weapon, attacks are faster than with one hand, power attack is devastating with dual, i dont know how you cant understand or i dont know...

you can strike with both weapons at the same time you know, 2 weapons twice as damage, i dont argue about that
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