Continue. Ratwar said we could so why not?

EDIT: RANGER VETERANS. I always forget the Veterans :facepalm: I welcome you all to make fun of me for forgetting the Veterans, in fact I encourage you.

EDIT 2: Don't take the note under the title seriously, that's just the Legion fan in me.

EDIT 3: Thanks for the change in title Ratwar

Word's cannot show how much how much these threads rile me up at this point. I used to defend the Legion purely because there is logic NCR fans won't acknowledge, now when I see the words 'NCR' and 'Legion' in the same sentence of an OP, I know where the thread goes, and these days, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0 pretty much sums up how I feel about any NCR and Legion thread at this point. :shakehead:

Edit: Anywho, my opinion lore wise is either a total Legion victory or an NCR wins with heavy casualities and winning by a thread. Why? Hoover Dam was one by luck. In game stats don't mean two caps to me.

I just find the arguments entertaining, I don't involve my self in them nearly as much as I used to. I will still post some arguments every now and then but I am mainly just a reader.

I'm so sick of the NCR and the Legion, which is why I shoot both on sight. :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun:

It's not that I hate either faction, it's the arguments. Ever since release, all you see is the same event. "___ could beat ___" then it reaches 12-13 pages. Not a dang lesson is learned by about 80% of the participents. I swear, it's like a thread lock is just a stalemate and the next thread is their battle ground all over from square one. It's like Groundhogs Day :cryvaultboy:

Great movie! I think I am going to watch it again. And yes the arguments can be annoying but there's still some entertainment in them.

Lol dude you just made my day.

What cracks me up is you could count on one hand almost the number of people who participate in these threads. Amd yes I realize that im one of them, wanna fight about it? :toughninja:

Wow man, I'm a forum noob, so I had no idea about this. I just typed in "NCR vs. Legion" on the search and got like four million threads with hundreds of comments each about people talking about this pointless [censored]. I'm totally with you.

If you think its "pointless [censored]" why'd you search of NCR vs. Legion?

OK I guess I'll throw in my opinion again (though I rather someone just created a Legion vs NCR thread instead because there's more to that debate than this one ). Anyways, I'd like to think I'm not biased as many clearly are on here but here goes..

We have to look at what we're given to be lore. Gameplay stuff just doesn't matter in a debate like this so all of the "Ranger vs Centurions!!" video you can post doesn't change anything.
What are the pieces of lore we're given in NV?

-Firstly Chief Hanlon explains that the Centurions were the best of the best of the Legion, having killed hundreds of men to qualify for their rank. That Centurions don't have an equivalent in the NCR army. (you'll see this thrown out a lot)
-We're led to believe that the Ranger Veterans are the best the NCR have to offer as well: only the best of the army are chosen to apply, of those who apply to be Rangers about 80% do not make it out of training (forgot who says this. Maybe Andy? Either way it's on the wiki).

What are the known interactions between Rangers and Centurions that we're given in NV?

-The First Battle of Hoover Dam: After the CL took the Dam the NCR fell back and the Rangers were put on a ridge. By all accounts the rangers completely devastated the Legion officers and elite soldiers during Graham's 2nd (and last) assault during the battle
-Silus' men were defeated and the Centurion was taken prisoner. We don't have much information of the battle except that it was clear that the NCR won and won big because many of Silus' men resorted to suicide before being taken captive
-Stella, the ranger captive at the Fort's arena. Otho claims that rangers are very rarely taken alive (something that can obviously be said about Centurions as well). She has apparently killed many legionaries and even a Centurion in the arena with her bare hands. Though the Devs did buff her ability in the game this is irrelevant: we are not discussing gameplay here. It is lore now that a ranger killed these men in the ring. When you defeat her Otho responds by saying something like "Unbelievable. Someone could defeat a ranger in single combat." This is pretty damn telling imo.

Their armor
This is pretty irrelevant to be honest but a lot of people seem to care so whatever... Centurions have better armor. Deal with it. The ranger vets are wearing [censored] jeans for crying out loud. Moving on.

My conclusion
Merely based on the dialogue we're given in NV, and we are indeed given very little (here's to hoping for more in the future), I'd have to give it to the Rangers. Centurions are without a doubt a force to be reckoned with but the rangers just seem to have a better track record against them. Simply making an argument around one line one NPC says about the Centurions and how badass they are just doesn't hold up to the fact we know and see in lore rangers dealing with Centurions.
Again, we aren't given much information so here's to hoping for more and maybe some day we'll see behind Legion lines.

i am not convinced by that argument with Stella. She is clearly an unarmed specialist, and the fact she used her bare hands is not really relevant, since the centurion probably just used a machete.

I guess it doesn't say much for that Centurion if he had a machete and she used her bare hands.

Shame. The NCR should have just posted Stella at the Dam because she obviously has a knack for embarrassing the highly experienced elite forces of the Legion in close combat. Wonder how she even got captured in the first place. Guess the Legion just overran Station Charlie?

These threads are stinking up our forums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmx5lzacZ-M&NR=1

I typed it in after seeing Martyr's post to see what he meant.