I started the game as evil, helped the powder gangers, i just got into the NCR region and Freeside, where the bulk of the quests are located, i am also vilified by the legion because i killed a bunch of them while doing the quest "Booted". i dont really care about who is good or bad anymore, pretty much sorted that out on my 1st play.

this time i am planning to rule vegas myself with help of yes man, FV wikia has been a good help, but as i progress, i feel like i am going to miss out on bulk of the quests if i keep doing evil things, i reached the rank of "pirate of the wastes" then i got attacked by civvies at Novac for no reason, so i stopped reverse pickpocketing them live dynamites, stopped all the stealing. now my rank is mercenary (neutral) but Arcade still wont join my posse ?

is there a way to finish the entire game, doing majority of the quests by remaining evil ? i want to reach the rank of "devil" by the time i do the final quest. i do have all the faction armor in my inventory, but im told that those wont work further in the game as named NPC's have abilities to see your true karma.

i would appreciate some help from folks who finished NV as Evil, thanks.

Do the legion fame reset quest, then side with the legion. There you go.

Implying Legion is evil.

Inherently evil? No.
Morally evil? Yes, most of the time.

:P

Well, there's "Evil" and there's negative karma. I would say it is entirely possible to be evil and still maintain a neutral or even good karma. In fact this might even be more interesting. If your goal is to reach the lowest levels of karma, you want to steal and kill NPCs, and use the ugliest methods of completing quests when available. The cannibal perk can reduce your karma but not by a lot.

You do get alot of evil karma for doing Legion quests. My good character went to neurtal after a few of their quests, but after killing a few powder gangers I fixed that.

Sorry I forgot my Spotted Owl :spotted owl:

Legion and proud, Damnit! Peace through power :sadvaultboy:

Morals is poor grounds for an argument (as they are judged by human emotion). By the same token the NCR are morally evil, and you could even say that their bureaucratic government is 'inherently evil'.

The Legion is incompassionate, they show little remorse or regret for their actions, in fact they believe they are civilizing the land by bringing such cruel justice. However this argument also doesn't work as by my views they are incompassionate whereas they are truthfully more zealous. They serve their lord to the end, and from their reasoning they believe their actions and punishments to be valid. You can spend years debating this. lol.

1. Already do. Power breeds corruption, corruption breeds ignorance, ignorance breeds distrust, distrust breeds hate, and hate breeds suffering. Add it all together and you get the recipe for Evil Stew. "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." - John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton

2. What one veiws as just and valid can be veiwed as evil, and morally wrong by another. It all boils doing to one magical word: "Opionion". And just like [censored]s, everyone's got one. Granted, in the case of a soldier, ones actions are usually the actions of another, i.e/// the Wake Island Massacre of 1943 where Rear Admiral Shigematsu Sakaibara ordered the murder of the 98 captured American civilian workers remaining on the island, kept to perform forced labor for the Japanese. Some viewed it as just, others viewed it as evil, paranoia, and abuse of power.

ONE VISION! ONE PURPOSE!

One could say those without power who despise those with power are they themselves ignorant.

This is true, but I think you'll find that most of those without power that dispise those with it, are tired of being stepped on by the very people they're supposed to rely on. :wink_smile:

The Unity will bring about the master race. Master! Master! One able to survive, or even thrive, in the wasteland. As long as there are differences, we will tear ourselves apart fighting each other. We need one race. Race! Race! One goal. Goal! Goal! One people . . . to move forward to our destiny. Destiny.

Very true, but it comes down to does the end justify the means? Humanity's only focus at this point should be progress. Civilization, strength, focus AT ALL COSTS, can the NCR provide stability, unwavering devotion, a disciplined workforce and military? The wasteland needs slaves to further progress; after two generations i could see slavery being done away with, but i don't think people realize how large the american west is especially without horses or modern vehicles. The amount of logistics is mind boggling, you will need farms to feed the populace, and to create biofuels. But that's just the beginning you will need roads, mines, timber yards, factories, and even still we are just scratching the surface. It's painfully obvious that a MASSIVE workforce is needed, as well as complete unquestioned control. If the NCR wins the war you are on a 200 year clock to set things right, and that's assuming they could be successful.

I must be missing your point, how exactly does that make slavery a necessity? The majority of that can be done with a paid, able-bodied work force. There's no need to enslave to get humanity back on track, all you need are people willing to lead, and not just for the sake of lining their pockets with caps or for the sake of ruling. Yeah, the NCR could set it straight, but they could also [censored] things up worse with the way they treat their citizens and soldiers.

We have gotten completely off topic, and this will be my last post on the matter. While, I do enjoy our discussion, I do not want to see it the reason for a closed thread.

Start thinking like an evil person. First off you gotta realize that no specific faction is inherently "evil". I'd describe how, but that would be a spoiler. So instead I'll advise you pay attention to how things play out on a NCR, Legion, and House character. then compare the 3 and contrast.

So if you want to be evil, it has nothing to do with the faction you chose, but everything to do with the actions you chose. Get a high speech skill, or make a black widow character and check out the speech options that unlock along the way, you can be one hell of an evil little bastard that way. You can send people to their deaths knowingly, set up ambushes, even sell people as if they were brahmin. Do what evil people do, find someone with hopes and dreams, find the most devastating way to crush those dreams, and savor the moment with some popcorn.

Listen to 'Imperial March' while playing.
:starwars:

Just kill everything good or bad, you are evil to everyone then. May take a while, but you can do it. Then side with House or Yes Man just so you can kill both NCR and Legion without worrying about rep.

i see, but my character has 20 speech, he's more of a brainless, trigger happy kinda guy, so stealing, killing civies is more like his thing, is there a way to be a [censored] in that way and still get quests from these factions? i dont get it, why give us faction armor if its not going to work as a disguise. also black widow is for femme couriers, no good for me. i just finished nelson quest for major polatli, didnt get any of those cunning options of mayhem you're talking about. thanks for the tips, i'll try to cause as much ruckus w/o drawing my weapon as see if i can get the most evil rank in the game.

Well as you are being NCR, stick with NCR. Just don;t kill any of the soldiers and you'll be good with them, then kill everything else. Be careful on the strip if you slaghter people there. there are NCR mp's there which would affect you rep, but basically it is straight forward otherwise.

actually that sounds like a good plan, i'll do as many quests as possible until i get the plat chip, once i get it, then kill everything and use yes man to name myself the new ruler of NV.

spoilers below



is it possible to kill both NCR and Legions heads before the battle of hoover dam ? i know ceasar and prez kimball can be smoked easily, not sure if i can get my hands on lanius and oliver ?

Just don't kill that many bad characters and to answer your question no you can't kill Lanius and Oliver before the battle of Hoover Dam.

Lanius and Oliver are strictly for end game. Yay for killing everything, no arguing about who is really evil, you are really evil.