Wow. I bet you have NO idea what kind of... what you... what you sound like when you say stuff like that.

There's nothing wrong with your train of thought (I can agree with what you said and feel the same way) I just think it's on the wrong track. He was talking about the lack of consequence in and of itself (which is also up for debate as to how well it was done), factions and aspects of the world relating to themselves, not necessarily in relation to our character.

Oi, Amigo! Obrigado, tudo tranquillo. Como vai?

I'm perfectly content with this evening, my [censored] week at my [censored] work is over, the last 90 minutes I saw my favourite football team winning again and I am having a beer :foodndrink:

But now, back to something more serious :turned:



I agree very strongly. I my country no generation since the 70s has been posed before serious problems. All they do is creating problems to solve themselves and whining about how everything is bad. But the real problems are yet to come in Europe, see our economy on the decline. The occupy movement from the states already started to set foot here and even the dumbest youths are beginning to realize that we in Europe are on the brink of a huge pile of BS coming at us. Serious business. The actual young generation will face these problems and they will grow with it, finally.

As a man interested in history I am well aware of many problems on your continent you spoke of. For example the Chilean, Paraguayan or Argentine dictatorships. Civil wars in El Salvador and Guatemala, often orchestrated by the US. Those were dark times and the consequences are still a big burden for the people. And I like to read about the scissors your country makes. On one hand one of the future players in economy with vast natural resources and on the other still with large problems on the sociological and educational side. Very interesting. Did I mention that I somehow like Dilma? But I liked Lula more because he looks a bit like my dad.




Good. I never have been in Brasil, I once had a girlfriend born in Sao Paulo, but we never managed to get there. If I get to Brasil someday, we shall meet :dry:

And from what I see and hear from the States, these values are endangered, too. Too many working poor, to big scissors between poor and rich and a declining middle class, which is the downfall of civil society. Look at my [censored] country, we almost have NO middle class anymore. People either have two or three jobs and live for work or enjoy the bright side. Not talking about ever rising social problems. If the riches of the world are being distributed more evenly, the so-called first world will degrade even more. And people won't fight against it. They have become (as you said) lazy, and have long forgotten that you have to fight every day of your life. Many of thew world's inhabitants know that and I, for my part, have seen countries in the third world I would like to forget.

One crass thing: Years ago, when I was again talking with my grandma about life in general (my grandma survived the big war here and has much to tell).

She said: "wait boy, if another war comes, if people starve, if millions die, then the rest will start to behave like humans again and care for each other. It is only a matter of time, I have seen that." That was impressive.



For me, nothing at all but it is a cool topic we discuss.



In my opinion they just have a clever, sneaky PR. They only tell the interesting things they DID and leave out the things they reduce of cancelled. So everyone has been hoping for a Rebirth of Morrowind.



Definitive VETO. Nao! Eles sao un bando de mentirosos! Bando de ladroes!!!!! And they sold, but actually to Microsoft. It is normal, you know. They are businessmen. I always said that I understand what they do, but I do not have to like it. I am an oldschool player and enjoy oldschool games. I like stats, I like spears, I like levitation, I like spellcrafters, I like tricky riddles, And what I like most is reading in games and Morrowind-like factions hating each other. Aaaah. Maybe I give the Morrowind Graphics Extender a new try. AGAIN... :tes:



Yeah, I am still talking about it, but only to relieve my frustration. From my point of view Skyrim has not been a worthy experience. After approx. 103 hrs I have quit playing because I am not - well, svcked into this world. Invited? Interested? I don't know how to call it. Immersed?



Even better regards from crazy Germany.

Man, what you are writing is so true! Almost nothing you do seems to bother the inhabitants of this world. I have to admit that I like the characters in Skyrim very much, far more superior than any other Elder Scrolls games. Because I do not care for the game anymore I am rather wandering Whiterun or Solitude and take a walk. In other threads I have stated that the pillar riddles are one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen in game. Not ridiculous, this is simply for ... I don't dare to insult anyone, so I leave that blank. Either the answer is right BEHIND the pillar or nearby. The most "difficult" :facepalm: pillar riddle has been the one with a book (Holgeir and Fjori) where the correct positioning was given through the text. Ooooh, the book has been lying around the pillars, ooo, such difficulty. For heaven's sake, has everybody forgotten the Atronach Riddle? I feel so... awww...

I didn't realise that this game was made for only a select few. You would probably call this select few 'The Elites'. I would it 'The Group Of People With An Over-Inflated Sense Of Worth'.

If you were a true fan, you'd be happy that more people are now sharing in the joy you receive from playing TES.

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I was like WOAH when one of my friends knew what i was talking about last december when Skyrim was announced. Now i see everybody talking about it, kind of svcks IDD. + Youtube is full of arrow to knee [censored], oh i miss the morrowind days when nobody knew what i was playing

Hey, Fernando. Maybe I'll explain? It is not about fan or elite. To put it simple:

Then: Bethesda small, niche market, niche games for nerds, games nerds like.

Now: Bethesda big, casual big market, big games for everyone, games everyone likes.

For my part, I am only sad that I have no nichy, nerdy game anymore. That is ist. I, personally have nothing against console players, casual players or anyone. Dovahkids and f@nboys jump on me because I don't like Skyrim and I do not enjoy it at all. Hey, I am the biggest f@nboy because I bought the f*§@ng collectors edition! Yes, to hell, I did. Who is the f@nboy here, goddammit? The game simply has changed too much for me.

Btw. why is the word f@nboy censored? It is being changed to "really devoted fan". Try to write it down...

You made your feelings clearer here, the post I originally replied to was just an embarrassment to Skyrim fans.

I actually happen to agree with you with the game changing in a different direction. I didn't like it to begin with, and I was particularly disappointed during the preview phases before the game was released when we would find out about features that were being removed.

But it hasn't been so diverse that it's ruined the experience. The thing to remember though, is that we are at stage of life where the biggest technological advances are made when products become more accessible and easier to use. So in Skyrim's case, people who have less time to focus on games don't have to worry about needing to fully dedicate themselves to Skyrim to enjoy it.

I agree with you, the stories that were great in Daggerfall and Morrowind lost a lot of appeal . The games started looking great, skills shrank, etc...

The biggest technological advances are made by the military-industrial complex in wars, so I have to contradict on that a little. The most useless but hipster products and advances are made by easy-to-use implementation, like the Iphone or smartphones in general. As a spin-off of that, life changes greatly for those participating in theses changes. But - I'm too old to jump on every horse.

Again, this development is a thing that in my opinion waters down immersion to a certain extent. I understand that, I have a time-intensive job, too. Well, let's say, if I work, I can't play for days. But when I am ready to enter a game, I expect a feeling of homecoming, immersion, story, drama. Not Mario Brothers. Elder Scrolls were games which you had to dive into. But when you did, you were rewarded with "WHOA". At least, when I first played Daggerfall, I think that was christmas 96 or so. After that I played Arena, a bit strange, I remember, first playing TES 2 then TES 1. But the story was stunning. Then some years later came Morrowind, which was made a bit easier to dive into, but the world has been more exotic, more "WHOA" and by far more exciting. Awwww, quit nostalgia.

I was, am and always will be against mainstreamization, generalization and simplification of such things for the sake of sales-charts. Not every modernized aspect of our life is good, you know? Two days ago I have been out with my wife, sitting in a café and we noticed that many people held their Iphones as a shield in front of them, even when they were sitting on the same table. In some cases they even did not communicate with each other, instead using their smartphone and occasionally saying something. When we both have time to go out together, we leave our phones at home, just to ensure undivided attention for each other. People are online everywhere and they stop communicating.

And it is this manner I see the Elder Scrolls series going to. It will always be a bombastic show, great fights and great music (I'm a fan of Mr. Soule btw.). But just now the whole series loses ist essence for the sake of generalization and beginner-friendliness. Yes, I recognize Bethesdas goal to open their world to a broader audience. But the world has changed, because it is a "family-friendly" world, where people who play 4hrs per week can easily find themselves into this world.

To use another picture - you can drive a car, I can drive a car. But I suppose we both can't drive a Formula One car, Indy Series Car, you name it.

Elder Scrolls used to be the Ferrari of ActionRPG, now it has turned to a pimped up Ford Fusion. I'd rather prefer driving lessons and then driving the Ferrari rather then immediate entrance and departure.

Try the Morrowind Overhaul pack. In my opinion is the only graphic mod true to the original art style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r6hilB6Dlc

unfortunitly popular = bland alot of the time.

at least its not harry potter scale bland yet...

I like the logic demonstrated here. It's so obvious, but not a lot of people get it. Console owner = casual player is so genius! Okay sarcasm aside, there are some points I agree with. Yes Skyrim lacks a lot from the previous games, but is Skyrim that bad of a game? I like the fact that every new TES was different from there predecessor. Bethesda might not fix the story and add in things that are missing, but they did say they were going to make patches to balance the game.

Thank you very much, the video made me shiver. When I heard the Daggerfall music I finally had this warm feeling inside. Again, thank you for pointing me to that mod, so far I have only been using other texture replacers, but none of them of this quality. :thumbsup:

but if they are like skyrim, no thanks

I agree. I think people like to feel like special snowflakes, though. As long as quality isn't affected, I don't care how many play.

At this point I must say that OP has given the most educated point of view I've seen since I joined the forums. I loved the Cicero's reference, I also came across It once, and was blown away by It. Little we've changed in more than 2000 years of history.

I. agree. utterly.

Ah I meant in relation to consumers, as with the wii, tablets and like you said the iphone.

I understand where you're coming from with stating you have a time intensive job and still expect an immersive experience, but what I meant by "having more time to play games" was that because one of your biggest interests is gaming (I assume ) you can dedicate more time to it, and expect a deeper experience.

Just watched a Morrowind gameplay vid and, after hearing some of the music, literally burned with nostalgia.

I pretty much agree with everything you've said here. I will miss the immersion of the likes of Morrowind, but then when I think of the laughs I've had with some of my friends - who are "casual" gamers - discussing our funny Skyrim stories, I feel a lot better knowing the previously exclusive genres I love are reaching out to more people.