To start I'm playing on 360

Is there a known bug with this faction? On my 4th play through, when I first went into Nipton ( I believe this is right, the town with the crucifixion "lotto") and was immediately attacked and the "Vilified with Legion" flashed very very fast and went away. Didn't think anything of it till I killed Benny, and received the "Render Unto Caesar" quest as usual. But no matter what I do (and Ive tried a TON of things, switching faction armors, kicking Boone, using stealth boys....as far as my imagination can go on this) the legion is hostile. And when I look, I don't even have a faction rep bar for them in my Pip Boy. Well sometimes I do and it says Neutral. The furthest Ive gotten was getting to the cove, talked to the ferry NPC, walked through the fort, and once Im in Caesars tent, random NPCs goes hostile on my radar. They will attack me for no reason. I use stealth boys, get to Caesar, talk to him, get his quests, and as I walk out I am attacked again. The strangest thing is watching the NPC radar markers going from red to neutral at random times. Its not all of them, its usually one or two will go hostile, then go back....then maybe say a legion dog will go hostile, then back.

Is this a known bug, did I miss a quest, is it hopeless and should I grab Boone and waste the place. Im only lvl 15 at this point, not sure I have the firepower. Also I wanted to do the Legion stuff this play through, I.E. assassinate the president and all that.

Any help or anyone else on the 360 or any other platform experience this?

For starters Boone will always make legion hostile, period.

The random legion going hostile sounds like you are wearing faction armor, any npc tagged as a "guard" , like the dogs, will see thru that and go hostile if you are near them or seen which seems to be what the random hostile thing is.

Even if you got the mark of caesar you can attack the legion and get re vilified with them if you kill them or do quests for the ncr and I think house quests also do it.

If you attacked the legion in nipton you will get vilified.

You might be bugged, but those are some things that might cause what you are seeing.

Sorry cant be much help. Hope you get it fixed.

Sounds like a bug, I heard something similar last week with the Legion rep and it involved having Gun Runners Arsenal DLC, do you have that by any chance ?
Best starting again and playing nice with the Legion boys at Nipton if you want to avoid being Vilified, avoid the temptation of Vulpes' nice hat

I remember i wanted to be liked by NCR and the legion, so i wore faction armor, however guard NPC's, like Caesars guards, see through faction armor. This happened to me while i was trying to do legion quests and as soon as i walked into cotton wood cove (with my legion faction armor on) some guy started hitting me with a broken cleaver.

No, no DLC yet ( I wanted to finish this play through before I started those up). Tried every combination of faction rep, taking them off, putting them on, going naked, wearing Khan, Powder Ganger, Legion, Benny's Suit.

As for becoming Vilified, once I get the Mark, I don't kill any Legion. I have a save right before I get into the Strip to see Mr. House. I've reverted to that point and tried various angles. Nothing.

Also, I sent Boone away. Tried it with Veronica/Ed-E, just ED-E. just Veronica, and also with no companions at all. Ive checked my inventory carefully to make sure I'm not carrying anything that might cause this. I'm thinking its just broken since sometimes Legion standing doesn't even show up on my Pip-Boy. And any rep changes with the Legion is flashed VERY fast on the screen, noticeably faster than other faction rep changes.

I'm usually not OCD like this, but this game tends to do this to me ha ha. I will approach problems from any/every angle in this game till I get what I want

So I'm guessing its bugged? Or hopefully someone with vast FO:NV knowledge knows what I'm overlooking and can give me a small hand

Yeah its bugged by the sounds of it, try starting again and see if its there

oh, id have a ton of fun playing the game with this bug, the surprise factor would be an awesome challenge

Yeah Im thinking of waiting this one out, gonna go knock out as much as I can, get some better weapons/armor, then go see if they want to play hard to get. :flamethrower:

speaking of Legion.... possible spoiler below, do not read if you dont want your game spoiled

There's definitely a bug with the GRA DLC. Ever since it was downloaded I can't go to Cottonwood Cove without being attacked by my freaking brethren! THIS IS TRAUMATIZING TO SOMEBODY SO PRO-LEGION!!!! :cryvaultboy:

i am DEFINITELY going to try Legion on my next game play-through, very curious to see what its like on the "other side".

From what I've seen, unless your first play through is Legion, you won't have the insane loyalty that some of us crazies do :nerd: . I don't know that you can fully appreciate playing for the Legion if you've played for NCR first. Maybe I'm wrong though! Definitely go Legion next time. At the very least you'll have a better understanding of your enemy's tactics. :iluvff:

Ok so Ive done some further thinking into my predicament. I had the NCR take control of Primm, would that affect my standings with Legion (that and I did a few NCR quests at that town at the top of the hill with the two "Lord of the Rings" type statues., like killing the bugs and all that)? Also, my 'karma' is at "Paladin" I belive, do you have to be at a neutral or negative karma for the Legion to not go guns blazing when they see you?

:cryvaultboy: OFC YOU CAN HAVE GOOD KARMA AND JOIN THE LEGION!!! THEY AREN'T EVIL THEY REALLY REALLY AREN'T! You are breaking my heart so hard right now. Feels like a freaking ice pick to Trotsky's head.

You can still do nice things for the NCR as long as it doesn't hurt the Legion, so don't do anything with the NCR story line after you enter the Tops if you want to be chill with Caesar. You can still do quests for the NCR, but not the quests given by Crocker and Moore.

Your dedication to the Legion is baffling, to say the least. But I think I understand, a woman supporting the Legion I suppose is not much weirder than a European like myself supporting the Enclave. God Bless America.
Though I'd like to hear your motivation for it, as IMO any blindfolded support to a faction like the Legion screams for a good reason

I'm a dirty dirty socialist/communist/whatever the right wing of the American political establishment is calling us lefties nowadays. I like the idea of everybody in a nation working as a family toward a singular goal and sharing their resources with each other. The fierce patriotism is encouraging and everybody in the legion puts the development of the nation and the collective good above themselves. Those serving the Legion are selfless not selfish, individualism is not as important, and really it's individualism and individual ambition that mucks things up for everybody else.

Sorry if my reasons for loving the Legion aren't as amazing as what you were expecting...now I feel slightly less mysterious :sadvaultboy:

I also like the idea of everybody sharing their resources and working together for a better society. However, in practice this means that the state becomes all powerful and decides on behalf of its citizens where resources should be spent. In a socialist democracy at least the people have the vote on who is in power, but in an autocracy like the Legion this would not be the case at all since no individual Legion citizen has a voice of his own. Commonly owned wealth driven by the people themselves is one thing, but blindly sacrificing all personal freedoms to serve a totalitarian state hell-bent on war, is something else entirely. Individualism and socialism are not mutually exclusive concepts; but in the Legion there is no other way.

In any case, I would not compare the Legion to a socialist state, far from it in fact. I consider Caesar's Legion to be a fascist dictatorship, completely guided by the will of one man. It is a war machine driven towards conquering of other lands, tribes and politics and overriding it with its own. History has taught us that this never ends well. For all its faults, the NCR does already provide the Mojave region with democracy, healthcare and individual freedoms, so there is no real reason for the Legion to take over. Apart from being one man's glory crusade against all those things, of course.

Even then it's a Father Knows Best State, literally. I believe Caesar does what is best for the Legion, but I do feel that their government would have to change after Caesar dies. I didn't know that NCR provided healthcare, I thought everything in the NCR was sold for a price just like modern America, and it seems like safety also comes at a price. At the very least Caesar keeps his people safe...probably because his father died in NCR lands because of the lack of safety provided to them.

I don't think Caesar is particularly against democracy, healthcare, and individual freedoms...he just sees that there may be a better way to raise up a nation. Democracy lends itself to corruption, individual freedoms lead to crimes against fellow citizens, and healthcare creates disease and leads to a weaker populace (I don't really believe the healthcare thing, but I see where Eddie is coming from). When you're building a warrior state, you shouldn't have to worry about political corruption, crime within the state, and weakened drug dependent soldiers.

The only real issue I see with Caesar's Legion is that their only occupation is as soldiers, eventually they'll run out of things to fight! Those men aren't trained to do anything else and it would be pretty difficult to teach a bunch of arrogant men who only know war how to farm or herd cattle or scavenge. I need to brush up on my Greek history...I haven't had to know this stuff in so long! I know the Spartans were able to go for years without war, but their nation was hell-bent on having most men be warriors. Maybe the Legion could figure out what Sparta did and go from there. :shrug:

Ah yes, I see your point and I can relate. I would love a society you described but call me pessimist if I say that's just impossible by human nature. We've seen plenty of such nations, starting out well but eventuall falling to the same old dog-eat-dog gambit. I can't help but to think of Stalin-era Soviet Union, or the "Great Leap Forward".

I generally see things the opposite. I support an intellectual, at least nominally individualistic, capitalistic and tightly packed society glued together by having a single, glorious goal that benefits all. Thus, my support for the Enclave. My dream world is some half a billion highly educated, secular humans living in a single spot and working tirelessly to improve humanity, screw ethics. Unrestricted science, that is my dream as a to-be biologist


I raise my hat, though, for hearing such deep reasons for promoting a faction. IMO true support comes from within the individual, not from who they are serving.

wow.
you guys really take the game ethics and politics quite seriously. :biggrin:
(not being sarcastic)