I pose this question to all the legion lovers, how would you feel as a slave forced to carry massive burdens and ceaselessly abused or as a Legionaire forced to fight to the death, no exceptions. Assuming that you don't want to live as another's tool how can you justify forcing someone else to.

There is no conscription in the NCR. The few troopers that talk of their past tell why they joined the military. One of the Misfits, for one, joined to support his family.

If the NCR had conscription, especially that of both genders, they could have overrun the Mojave and hell the entire Western Untied States long before Caesar showed up.

No, sorry I didn't mean to make it sound like that, didn't realize how it sounded until you said something :ahhh: I would trade freedom for safety and stability especially of my family. There are other reasons, but hey, I can't think right now. Catch me after Christmas and I'll rehash my reasons for Legion support.

Anywho, sorry for derailing this topic. It was supposed to be about Caesar love. Didn't realize it would cause all this. :facepalm:

safety for family?...um...you do realize that the people who are absorbed into it, their family has been killed, you know that right?...anyone elder will be slaughtered, anyone too young would be thrown into a camp, and anyone female...well...your dead alright, inside. Once your used up to the point no one wants you, your just a slave then, and if you can't hold their crap up, your killed anyhow. So no...your family isn't safe.

I can see why Caesar made the Legion in such a fashion. The fastest way to turn a bunch of squabbling 'tribes' is to remove all cultural individuality. If he did not force women to separate from their tribes (or nations if he is taking over NCR territory) to make sure they do not continue to perpetuate their previous culture through familial customs. Paired with a man who does not have the same cultural identity and isolated from everyone in their previous life leads to a much faster loss of the cultural discord that could threaten the stability of his nation. This allows the Legion to focus on external matters.

By the way... the 'tribes' he has taken over most likely did not have technology and medicine equal to the progressive NCR. To prevent a tribe from using such knowledge to gain dominance in his new order he has to suppress what would give them power. It makes sense when you think about the large number of cultures that have been integrated into the Legion that he would use these methods to reduce chaos. It is not like the wastes are a highly structured paradise. The world is in pure anarchy and he is using solid methods to move civilization forward.

Once I removed my 'high horse' goggles I came to see that Caesar is using a very efficient method to eliminate anarchy and build a foundation for progress.

yet, You deny the fact that Ulysses is correct, seeing as how it doesn't take technology to destroy a nation, it takes just a single man outside with enough willpower to do it. Caesar believes tech will end society and tries to bring it back down into the stone age and coming back up slowly, believing it will save people...but it will not.

Each serves the Legion in their way.

That sounds very.....droneish. 'I server because it is what I do, it is what I know, beep boop'

At least with House there's a very Employer/Employee relationship, NCR treats you like a grunt (Which I disliked), and Caesar treats you like a dog and says 'SICK EM BOY!', and Yes-Man, that damn face and his voice, he's so patronizing, like he's designed for dumb people. The way he's so overly friendly and says simple words. :brokencomputer:

silly silly silly.......

not reality...what you say denotes an assumption that legion members have a choice.

The correct bare bones truth is that everyone who serves the legion serves the legion as the legion sees fit.

You are mistaking the aspect of your choices given to you as a game player as the choice the npc characters have.

legion members wants and desires are irrevelant.

Off-topic, but I like saying "The last thing Vegas needs is more robots" just so I can hear Yes Man splutter & try to convince me(within the limits of his programming) that I should activate the bunker. tbh, I think Yes Man was designed for the herp derp shoot no listen no lore no brains players, though I do find him intriguing to listen to(like Ulysses & Caesar).

OT: I actually have nothing constructive to say. Continue arguing.

-Nukeknockout

I dislike the Legion as much as anyone else...but y'know, I've been thinking. This thread was started to unite like-minded legionaries in the glory of Caesar, and all we have done (myself included) is hijack it with our anti-Legion rhetoric. Which has been repeated many times, in other threads.

Dogbert is experiencing a hitherto alien emotion. I can only liken it to what you mortals call 'remorse'.

I need some quiet time to think about this...:confused:

Too right. Enough with the Caesar bashing! Let the love-fest resume.

/moves on to subjects of actual interest elsewhere

Look you big dorks, it's a quote from Legionaries in the game! I was trying to be funny :sadvaultboy:

poor megs *conciliatory shoulder pat*

Why hello Andaius. Been a while since I seen you.

As for the Legion, I recognize that they brought the squabbling tribes of the southwest together(though by force) and have at least brought structure. What is interesting is how House brought the other small tribes of Vegas together, but not by force(as far as I can remember). House may not murder, [censored], or crucify, but at the same time they are both dictating orders. House just so happens to use technology more.

I just got all of the DLC during the Steam Thanksgiving sale. I have only started on Dead Money and I think it will take a while for me to reach Ulysses. But, I am not saying the Legion will be destroyed by tech. It is just a lot easier to keep order by leveling the influence of all the tribes. The Legion is currently in a state of consumption and it is difficult to assimilate the new conquests if they are allowed influence by introducing new ideas or putting themselves in a position of dominance because of their advanced skills.

The Legion is supposed to be a single entity, but in reality it is a mixture of previously hostile parties. They are not going to play nice in the sandbox unless forced to.

Why on earth would you need a big fork, is it for a super m-oh. Dork.

Well, this is my pic IRL -> :nerd:

My own forum turned against me! Well, my eyes are finally opened to what life's all about!

Don't you mean "Et tu forums...et tu..."

Hey for what its worth I may not agree with some points but I do admire loyalty...its a sign of character.

Just say to us veni didi vidi vici....er...dorksi

Oh, you mean like the slaver fans do in every NCR thread? Nuts to them.

Note my sig line, and then remember what I'm on record as saying the legion is worthy of:

"Those who follow the Legion have no right to call themselves humans. They are scum, monsters and vermin to be exterminated. Their stories have no value, their point of view has no importance, their so called "values" are a mockery of the term. There is nothing to the legion worth understanding and no member worth wasting words on."

Eddie believes only in the power of fire and steel. Feed him enough to choke on, then pile on more for the rest of them.

**And yes, I am fully capable of separating fantasy and reality. The quote is a mix of my feelings on the Legion, and a bit of in-character dialog that would be said if the game would let me.

I have reflected on past events and come to a conclusion. Please accept this peace treaty from the Republic of Dogbert to the Legion :icecream:

I'm now off to other threads to spread the word of diplomacy and peace.

You young punks and your lack of knowledge of Classic Christmas movies! I'm going to stop making references to things that nobody watches :sadvaultboy:

Jessica's quote from Santa Claus is Coming to Town, before she breaks off into the song "My World is Beginning Today"



Really? I've only done it like once, and it doesn't happen in the NCR threads like how it happens in the few Legion threads around.

My point wasn't to defend the Legion's atrocities, it was to defend the fact that Caesar isn't all bad, or rather that his intentions may be good. He thinks he's helping humanity by shunning technology, and while I don't think that the Legion will be around for the rest of human history, Caesar might think that they will, or at least that they will be around for the foreseeable future.



Ha, I got that reference, I actually just watched that movie the other day. So many childhood memories. *sniff* *sniff*