I've only played through the Stormcloak path once and with a side character, with my mind with the Imperials so my interpretation might be biased. Ulfric seemed very likable and very honest and I believe that is how he managed to lead the rebellion. He is likable, and is basically the image of Nordom. It's his charisma and his pureness in Nordic tradition that has fueled the rebellion. To what degree he is being truthful and what degree he is after power I do not know.

Actually, anyone who does the Stormcloak line knows it MORE, because you get to see it first hand. Which I enjoyed, I hated how the Empire's side was like, "There's Ulfric. He's evil. Kill him!"

I also wanted to make a comment about Ulfric's use of the Voice going against the Greybeards' teachings. While I think he was wrong to use it to kill Torygg, in general I actually do not have a problem with it. When you are on the battlefield, and your friends and allies are dying, and you have a power that can stop it from happening and save them, do you use it? Or do you let them die for the sake of a philosophy you may not even believe in, but was imposed on you when you were a child and had little say in the matter? If you talk to Ulfric himself he will tell you this. He actually has some regret about leaving the Way of the Voice, but he felt that as a someone fighting for humanity in the war he had to.

I really, really suggest that everyone do the Stormcloak side of the questline before spouting off facts about Ulfric. You learn some things about him that are positive, and also many that are negative from the questline. But I see so many people on the forums posting things that are wrong because they didn't get all of Ulfric's storyline from the game. He is a much fleshed-out character on the Stormclok's side. And by fleshed-out, I mean complicated and interesting, not good or benevolent or moral.

Also, remember that when you talk to Elisif and her many, many advisers, remember that they have an agenda - they want you to think in her favor if you talk to Elisif, you will get something like this:

"My poor, poor husband was murdered by the barbarian Ulfric Stormcloak, who waltzed up to his throne and blew him to bits with a shout. Torygg totally would have sided with him, too, that's what a big meanie Ulfric is! And now I'm a poor, innocent widow just trying to hold everything together after the brutal murder of my completely innocent husband who totally would have fought for Skyrim!"

If you talk to Ulfric, you get something like this:

"I challenged Torygg to a 100% fair duel which he accepted, and I 100% fairly shouted at him and 100% fairly plunged my sword in his chest, and he 100% thought that it was the right thing for me to do. And if he wanted to defend himself, he should have just popped over to the Greybeards and learned to shout! Duh! It's easy!"

Neither of those are true, they are two extreme tales that dance around what really happened.

And don't forget that the book "The Bear of Markarth" was written by a biased source, meant to discredit Ulfric. It's entirely possible that the book is true, or is an exaggeration. I'm trying to figure it out for myself. If the book is true, it's very awful, but there is basically no one else around to corroborate it except for the King of the Forsworn, who also has a lot to gain by making Ulfric look bad.

In the end, you quickly learn that in the Elder Scrolls games, very few people tell the truth. They tell their opinions based on their own biases, and many have motives. You cannot 100% trust what one person says and should corroborate it with other evidence from the game. Elisif's advisers have a vested interest in convincing you that Torygg was a saint and Ulfric is a monster. And Ulfric has an interest in convincing you that he is a noble warrior fighting for Skyrim. In my opinion, it's a bit of both.

Lol .. Not much different from my dragonborn .. I`m sitting at 5000 Kill

Actually ive done both the questlines (worst questlines in the game imo) and i seriously could not stand ulfric. I dont know what it is, its a mix of his face and his voice, just aggravates me, makes me want to kill him.(to me ulfric seems to have the aura of a homosixual - not that theres anything wrong with that, haha).

But anyway, Ulfric straight up tells you that he shouted him so he fell, and stabbed him in the chest with a dagger (an assassin's weapon). Also, yeah if you were in a war and had the voice, the greybeards would even use it to defend their comrades. But defending your comrades from slaughter and coercing your king into a duel he doesnt want for your own political purposes and using a power you know he cant use on him are two completely different things. The greybeards hate the blades because they go around imposing their law on dragons and the like, you know they wouldnt approve of an aspiring greybeard to use his power on his king for political purposes.

I've only got bits and pieces on the story of the falmer, nords and the forsworn
so let me see if this is correct:

the falmer have always lived in skyrim until the nords came along
and peace was maintained for a while. then the falmer stated to think that the nords were becoming too powerful
and felt threatened by their presence and decided to wage war against the nords (and lost).
then the forsworn (who are bretons) came up to live in the reach (or were always there even before the falmer?(this part confuses me))
high rock (bretons) and skyrim (nords) have been fighting over the reach so the forsworn are claiming the land to have always been theirs
while ulfric thinks otherwise, is this right?
and got into a conflict with the nords.
then ulfric decided to kill them all (?)

1. Ulfric wants to be the high king - Yes.

2. Ulfric wants to protect Nords and their culture but does not care for other races - Yes.

3. the other races that came looking for places to stay in windhelm aren't treated very kindly by Ulfric (and are kind of homeless) - Yes.

4. the Imperials don't really care for the Nords (?) or their culture - The Empire does, Imperials are their own race, so not necessarily. But there are plenty of Nords that are apart of the Empire.

5. the Imperials somehow are infringing on the Nords' right to rule - No, Skyrim is apart of the Empire.

6. at some point the Imperials banned worship of Talos - No, the Thalmor banned it.

both the empire and the thalmor agreed to banning talos
and I should have clarified that some nords (the stormcloaks for example) feel the empire is infringing on the nords' right to rule skyrim

I got crabs... From my wife...

She got them from Ulfric... She shouted at him...

He shouted back... Then thrust his dagger into her...

Now the Imperials got crabs... So they hate Ulfric too...

That's the truth!

The Thalmor demanded to ban the worship of Talos, the Empire agreed to bring peace, witch is what the Empire has always put first. The stormcloaks feel the Empire is keeping Nords from ruling Skyrim, but that doesn't mean they are right. Skyrim is, and always has bin apart of the Empire, so they always have bin under rule of the Empire, and the Empire use to be ruled by Nords right up until the Septim dynasty died out. Since the High King died his widow becomes high queen. Nords technically still rule Skyrim, but under the supervision of the Empire, witch again, is how it has always bin.

Both sides are iffy, but nothing has really changed besides the Thalmor having a say in politics now. Many believe if the Empire wasn't dealing with this rebellion the Empire would be kicking the Thalmor out.

childish and short sighted perhaps.but from another point of view, Ulfric and the Nords value strength, and the Empire has shown to be weak to the Thalmors. so is there strength in a unifid Empire, or does siding with a weaker force drag their momentum down. while it seems dilusional, I admire Ulfrics confidence in driving out the Thalmor

are you a crab yourself
I hate crabs, though. I'd prefer spiders to crabs, almost.
they're both very creepy and annoying little beasts.
but then again they aren't very hard to kill
while the chaurus sometimes are hard mobs to kill..
all in all I hate all the insectoid/crab beasts :/
this obviously has nothing to do with the stormcloaks or ulfric. not unless they're crabpeople.

To me dragonborns are just someone born with unique traits that make them learn shouts faster by absorbing dragons' souls.

Someone is dragonborn doesn't mean everything he does is just.

E.g, just like people with high IQ irl, you can say they are gifted and favored by gods, but that doesn't mean everything they do with their knowledge is just. Everyone can get knowledge, some may learn faster while some may learn slower, it only matters how you use it.

Normal people can also learn shouts, though much slower than a dragonborn. But that doesn't make things that other people do unjust just when dragonborn does it.

And when have you seen Talos worshipers being arrested by Imperial Legion in Skyrim? You don't it is the Thalmor that do that, if not for Ulfric's open defiance against the ban of Talos the Thalmor wouldn't even be in Skyrim, more so it seems that Ulfric never really ever goes to the Temple of Talos and so he uses it as a political tool rather then genuine grief on his part.

This "defiance" goes back to the Markarth incident which as I've already said is nothing more then a bunch of blood thirsty nords attacking a bunch of primarily peaceful Breton from their ancestral city of Markarth. This Racism went so far that even Nords that had a single Breton friend risked having to watch as their family was executed in front of them, the treatment of the Breton themselves was even worst. If Ulfric and his Stormcloaks had not helped, the Breton would easily have been able to protect Markarth and the Reach against the aggressive Nord army. The stormcloaks marched as an army of Talos very openly and even the Thalmor could not pretend not to hear about it and so they went into skyrim and that's where the oppression of Talos worshipers really comes from.



Tiber Septim didn't murder his leader, his leader died in battle and Tiber Septim assumed control after that, also the gods literally told him that he would unite all the lands as one and then rule as their emperor. Ulfric doesn't care at all about uniting the people of Tamerial and only cares about personal power. Yes Tiber Septim did get into a lot of wars but the unification of the empire meant their was less wars and so more peace, the only reason the Empire has issues is that Summerset Isle and Skyrim both continually wish to return to wars of domination against their closest neighbors.



Yes, which is why I commented before...



He really isn't a nice man, any act of mercy he does show is an act and it's only after the campaign you get to see his real motivation.



Dragonborn means that a person is blessed with a part of the divine soul of Akatosh and thus they're preforming Akatosh's work if they know it or not. Only a dragon can absorb another dragon's soul (tho there are a couple of exceptions that can not be absorbed for various reasons) and it is the fact that the dragon born has a part of Akatosh's soul that allows them to absorb dragon souls.

Then I guess the United States doesn't belong to Americans does it? There were plenty of indigenous people here first. So I guess the Middle East is right about the evil American empire? Americans murdered tons of innocent women and children too to conquer the land.

pretty ironic imo.
but I read from one of the skyrim wiki pages that it was debated as to whether or not
the bretons really lived there in the reach before the nords (or I might be just horribly wrong about this)
and the dark elves were pretty racist themselves in their own land to the khajits.
I don't see what makes ulfric so terribly evil a person other than his potential desire to gain power.

I refuse to work for Ulfric simply because he's a child-murdering war criminal. See the book "The Bear of Markarth" for more insight on what I'm talking about.

Absolutely true, and I'm starting to agree with you about the mudcrabs.

Listen to his conversations with his second-in-command; base your belief of his words on those conversations. I think that he is power hungry, but also believe that he has a point and is in the right. The Empire, while not in the right, is definitely not in the wrong and I feel bad (however necessary it may be imo) whenever I off Imperial soldiers.
However, offing the